Heyward to Cubs!

[TL1961]

Schwarber is not a C on a World Series contender.

So true.

So puzzling that people just don't get this.

 

[Ari Bear]

I'm for keeping Baez. To me his D is questionable though. Like his bat potential. That would be my reason to keep him around. Don't think he will be a starter though with none of those positions open now.

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[fatbeard]

So true.

So puzzling that people just don't get this.

Also puzzling is the "move Baez to CF" thing. Tommy La Stella is not the primary backup/IF utility man on a World Series contender. Depth is critical.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Schwarber is not a C on a World Series contender.

I agree. I'm throwing that out there as different moves they could make to get pitchers besides Soler or Baez.

 

[Parade_Rain]

So true.

So puzzling that people just don't get this.

People get it.

 

[Parade_Rain]

You don't move Baez because of his mix of age, potential, and utility value (high level D at 3B, SS, and 2B). Teams tried to acquire him already, and Theo & Co weren't budging. Soler is a much less versatile player, plus the injury issue makes him more expendable.

This is true, but isn't Baez the one Tampa Bay is interested in...at least to rumors?

 

[fatbeard]

I'm for keeping Baez. To me his D is questionable though. Like his bat potential. That would be my reason to keep him around. Don't think he will be a starter though with none of those positions open now.

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???

Baez's D is just a shade below Russell. He's more athletic than Russell but less consistent.

 

[CSF77]

I agree. I'm throwing that out there as different moves they could make to get pitchers besides Soler or Baez.

They would have to start to deplete the farm. Sending MLB ready just means less numbers going over. But centering a trade around Torres, McKinney, Vogelbach, Almora and Cease. Should make a team think twice about giving up a controllable arm. The fact is it would replenish their system in 1 move.

 

[TL1961]

Bryant should play RF. He has no business at 3rd base

Yeah, since we obviously have no other RF options.

 

[Ari Bear]

???

Baez's D is just a shade below Russell. He's more athletic than Russell but less consistent.

Really? Cuz I haven't seen gold glove stuff from him yet. I've seen much with Russell. The gap is a little larger than your saying I think.

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[CSF77]

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Baez's D is just a shade below Russell. He's more athletic than Russell but less consistent.

He is more error prone. He is really good though. He needs to get his SO's under control. That has been his hitch. He can keep it under 25% he has the makings of a super star. Russell is more like Heyward. He should put up a strong WAR due to his all around game and top end SS D.

 

[fatbeard]

This is true, but isn't Baez the one Tampa Bay is interested in...at least to rumors?

I don't know what rumors those are. It just makes very little sense to give him up unless you're getting an elite, cost-controlled SP in return. He's your IF depth with excellent D at 3 positions, provides pop off the bench, and is an excellent baserunner off the bench. Plus Maddon absolutely loves him.

 

[TL1961]

Damn, that Twitter page is full of some hostile ass individuals. Wow! You would think Heyward was Babe Ruth or something.

No, to Cards fans, he was a superstar last year, but became "not that good" this afternoon.

 

[CSF77]

I don't know what rumors those are. It just makes very little sense to give him up unless you're getting an elite, cost-controlled SP in return. He's your IF depth with excellent D at 3 positions, provides pop off the bench, and is an excellent baserunner off the bench.

Guy I would want back is Drew Smyly.

 

[fatbeard]

Really? Cuz I haven't seen gold glove stuff from him yet. I've seen much with Russell. The gap is a little larger than your saying I think.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-javier-baez-exceptional-20150909-story.html

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on...-baez-cuts-down-runner-with-95-mph-throw-home

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/34331/javier-baez-emerging-on-defense-for-cubs

http://www.csnchicago.com/cubs/cubs-javier-baez-making-playoff-statement-his-defense

 

[TL1961]

Bryant is the 3B. How is he only suited for corner OF?

I'm still wrapping my bead around "both Heyward, Bryant, Soler, and Schwarber.."

 

[Parade_Rain]

I don't know what rumors those are. It just makes very little sense to give him up unless you're getting an elite, cost-controlled SP in return. He's your IF depth with excellent D at 3 positions, provides pop off the bench, and is an excellent baserunner off the bench. Plus Maddon absolutely loves him.

Not able to c&p on the phone. Check mlbtraderumors.com on December 7. "Rays, Cubs discussing trade involving Javier Baez"

 

[beckdawg]

So I was curious how good the cubs offense could be. If we take last seasons numbers and sub Zobrist for Castro, Heyward for Fowler, and move Schwarber in for Cogs, the cubs starting line up would have hit .268/.339. Teams from 2000-2015 who have had a .339 OBP have average 773 runs. This season the cubs scored 689 runs. That's a pretty significant increase.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I'm still wrapping my bead around "both Heyward, Bryant, Soler, and Schwarber.."

Maybe the four of them are skinny enough to count as only two?

 

[Parade_Rain]

So I was curious how good the cubs offense could be. If we take last seasons numbers and sub Zobrist for Castro, Heyward for Fowler, and move Schwarber in for Cogs, the cubs starting line up would have hit .268/.339. Teams from 2000-2015 who have had a .339 OBP have average 773 runs. This season the cubs scored 689 runs. That's a pretty significant increase.

We all know games aren't played on paper, but when you crunch numbers like that, it certainly seems encouraging what they have done so far this off season.