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Yeah, I didn't mean that to be a literal guess at what they would be. I was listening to a pod cast talking about how good the cubs could be and someone threw out 1000 runs which is basically all but impossible for a non-AL team. But it got me thinking. And it does leave some room for improvement since Soler and Russell really didn't hit to their ability though thinking about it I guess I didn't factor in pitching
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How about the one where he is a "trader". Morans!
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More associated random thoughts. Good luck taking an extra base on the cubs next season if Soler and Heyward are in the OF. Both have cannons.
Also, the cubs last year had Montero #4 in OBP for C at .345, #4 for Rizzo at 1B with .387, #4 for Zobrist at 2B with .359, #4 for Bryant at .369, #21 for Russell at .307, #10 for Heyward in RF at .359, #21 for Soler in RF at .324, and Schwarber was #14 in LF with .355.
Also, the cubs last year had Montero #4 in OBP for C at .345, #4 for Rizzo at 1B with .387, #4 for Zobrist at 2B with .359, #4 for Bryant at .369, #21 for Russell at .307, #10 for Heyward in RF at .359, #21 for Soler in RF at .324, and Schwarber was #14 in LF with .355.
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You nailed a big reason why I don't want Soler traded. Rarely do we see big arms in CF either. The Cubs could do themselves a favor and help Soler take better routes. Those arms in OF make the 3B coach think twice.
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Jeff Passan ✔ @JeffPassan
Free agent Class of 2018 includes: Harper, Donaldson, McCutchen, Machado, Price, Heyward, Kershaw, Fernandez, Harvey, Keuchel, Sale, Rosenthal, Blackmon, Familia, Rondon, A-Gon, Grandal, Smyly, Robertson, Herrera, Mauer, Ramos, Capps, Iglesias, A. Jones, Brantley, Richards, D. Gordon, Pollock, Wainwright, Corbin, S. Miller, Kimbrel, Britton, A. Miller, Dozier, Cruz, Pence, Yadi, Gattis, Happ and many more.
Probably not the best idea for Heyward to opt out into that...
Free agent Class of 2018 includes: Harper, Donaldson, McCutchen, Machado, Price, Heyward, Kershaw, Fernandez, Harvey, Keuchel, Sale, Rosenthal, Blackmon, Familia, Rondon, A-Gon, Grandal, Smyly, Robertson, Herrera, Mauer, Ramos, Capps, Iglesias, A. Jones, Brantley, Richards, D. Gordon, Pollock, Wainwright, Corbin, S. Miller, Kimbrel, Britton, A. Miller, Dozier, Cruz, Pence, Yadi, Gattis, Happ and many more.
Probably not the best idea for Heyward to opt out into that...
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so maybe something like the curse of the bambino starting right now for the cards? I wouldn't mind...
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Would Grimm have a chance at least to make the roster?
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[video=youtube;hVm-FY-9X5M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVm-FY-9X5M[/video]
Can't help but think of this clip when thinking about how Theo/Jed did the Cards dirty this offseason.
Can't help but think of this clip when thinking about how Theo/Jed did the Cards dirty this offseason.
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Yeah, it's heartwarming as a Cubs fan to be sure.
Check out this article written by a Cards fan:
It's the Cubs' World Now
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Having had a little time to digest the Heyward signing what it really came down to was fit on more than one level. I have thought for weeks that the Cubs FO coveted Heyward and would pursue him because his presence in the batting order would check so many boxes, OBP, contact and relatively low K rate. When I looked at the FA class the combination of Zobrist and Heyward seemed to be the key to fixing hitting problems of RISP and getting even more guys on base in the first place. Here's the thing though, getting things just right to land those guys was implausible at best.
Everything we saw and were told is that the Cubs had $130-$140 mil total payroll budget. Given that big FA signings seemed to be out of the question. Despite local and national media alike trying to tell us otherwise, David Price never made sense as a target even if the budget was there because he helped one area of need when the team stated it had four, at least one starting pitcher, pitching depth, improved defense and improved contact. The resource allocation seemed wrong for a Price signing. If they were to spend more than we thought it would seem position players were the answer because they could solve more than one problem on their own, i.e. contact, OBP and defense. They still required money but if you were Jed and Theo more bang for your buck seemed the way to go. The question kept coming back to were there the bucks?
When the Cubs didn't land, or even try to hard to land, David Price they moved quickly from the idea of a true #1 to a rock solid MOR. I would define that as a guy who is an innings eater and is a never a stretch at #3, regular season or playoffs, and can have stretches where they're as good as a 2. There were three FA who defined that and one, Jordan Zimmermann, was off the board earlier than any expected. That left Lackey and Samardzija and without rehashing all of that they went with Lackey because of, here it comes, fit. In this case financial. His signing signaled that they were setting up an initial contention window without jeopardizing future ones. The liked Shark but not at 5 years. Lackey gave them most of the same things. I think getting that move done early allowed them their best hand at the winter meetings.
They got to Nashville with pitching covered, if not quite perfect. They found a deal for Castro they liked which allowed them to sign Zobrist. Contact and OBP? Check. Then the OF loomed and they still wanted defense and more of the batting components. They had gone old on Lackey so Alex Gordon, while a nice fallback, didn't seem to quite work. Once again it looked tome like Heyward fit perfectly but could they afford him? They decided to weigh risks and make a formidable offer. The opt outs mean that they are betting on his performance and probability of injury early affording themselves financial flexibility later in order to set up the next window at a time when the second wave of prospects, this time more balanced between pitching and hitting, are ready. After being creative with the Lackey and Zobrist deals they found the money for Heyward and landed him.
What ultimately happened always made sense to me, although I did think Shark was a better it than Lackey, but so much had to right it almost seemed silly to say. What impresses me the most was the skill in setting up scenarios to enable fit. Moving Soler for a cost controlled starter and acquiring a true CF still makes sense but is no longer critical. It could be now, at the deadline or even next year. The batting order is now scary and the pitching, one of 2015's regular season strengths, is better and deeper and more suited for the playoffs. The pieces fit. Now how many days until pitchers and catchers report?
Everything we saw and were told is that the Cubs had $130-$140 mil total payroll budget. Given that big FA signings seemed to be out of the question. Despite local and national media alike trying to tell us otherwise, David Price never made sense as a target even if the budget was there because he helped one area of need when the team stated it had four, at least one starting pitcher, pitching depth, improved defense and improved contact. The resource allocation seemed wrong for a Price signing. If they were to spend more than we thought it would seem position players were the answer because they could solve more than one problem on their own, i.e. contact, OBP and defense. They still required money but if you were Jed and Theo more bang for your buck seemed the way to go. The question kept coming back to were there the bucks?
When the Cubs didn't land, or even try to hard to land, David Price they moved quickly from the idea of a true #1 to a rock solid MOR. I would define that as a guy who is an innings eater and is a never a stretch at #3, regular season or playoffs, and can have stretches where they're as good as a 2. There were three FA who defined that and one, Jordan Zimmermann, was off the board earlier than any expected. That left Lackey and Samardzija and without rehashing all of that they went with Lackey because of, here it comes, fit. In this case financial. His signing signaled that they were setting up an initial contention window without jeopardizing future ones. The liked Shark but not at 5 years. Lackey gave them most of the same things. I think getting that move done early allowed them their best hand at the winter meetings.
They got to Nashville with pitching covered, if not quite perfect. They found a deal for Castro they liked which allowed them to sign Zobrist. Contact and OBP? Check. Then the OF loomed and they still wanted defense and more of the batting components. They had gone old on Lackey so Alex Gordon, while a nice fallback, didn't seem to quite work. Once again it looked tome like Heyward fit perfectly but could they afford him? They decided to weigh risks and make a formidable offer. The opt outs mean that they are betting on his performance and probability of injury early affording themselves financial flexibility later in order to set up the next window at a time when the second wave of prospects, this time more balanced between pitching and hitting, are ready. After being creative with the Lackey and Zobrist deals they found the money for Heyward and landed him.
What ultimately happened always made sense to me, although I did think Shark was a better it than Lackey, but so much had to right it almost seemed silly to say. What impresses me the most was the skill in setting up scenarios to enable fit. Moving Soler for a cost controlled starter and acquiring a true CF still makes sense but is no longer critical. It could be now, at the deadline or even next year. The batting order is now scary and the pitching, one of 2015's regular season strengths, is better and deeper and more suited for the playoffs. The pieces fit. Now how many days until pitchers and catchers report?
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Good write up. Can't disagree with it.
Jed was saying that next years market was weak so they merged both off seasons this year. I don't expect impact moves next year.
Now if they can fix Hammel and Hendricks shows progress I feel pretty good. They signed Cahill and gave him a chance to fight for a rotation spot. Add to it Warren comes in with a 5 pitch mix all avg or better.
They may have to do nothing and let it play out this year.
Jed was saying that next years market was weak so they merged both off seasons this year. I don't expect impact moves next year.
Now if they can fix Hammel and Hendricks shows progress I feel pretty good. They signed Cahill and gave him a chance to fight for a rotation spot. Add to it Warren comes in with a 5 pitch mix all avg or better.
They may have to do nothing and let it play out this year.
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Which is why i kept saying when some kept going on about them not spending and only going to a certain amount ,unless we heard directly from Ricketts or Epstein we have no idea how much their going to spend .
I was hoping to be right and just felt that they were going to take advantage of the momentum they have going with how they finished 2015 and add the right players they needed to help get them to that next level ..
Now their not just division favorites, their world series contenders..
They did this with only giving up 1 core player (Castro ) from 2015 and ZERO prospects, which now they have available if they want to or need to make a key addition at the deadline.
As far as the Cardinals go...
how awesome has the last 3 months been ..
Its like their turning the table against their life long bully
First they knock them out of the playoffs in NLDS and then steal two of their key players, while building a young talented team.
Now hopefully this is year 1 of many that they get ahead of and stay ahead of them in division titles and win a couple championships. .
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Hey! Don't be a "TRADER"!
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"Heyward trader" is trending on Twitter, so it wasn't just one guy. ��
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http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cub...-completes-the-cubs-offense-and-team-makeover
Another dumbass suggesting the Cubs might move Schwarber. When will it end?
Another dumbass suggesting the Cubs might move Schwarber. When will it end?
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Nate Silver is projecting the Cubs at 107 wins next year.
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Well with the addition of Heyward and Lackey and the subtraction of Castro, the Cubs added 9 wins based on WAR.
I am not even confident they win 95. Last season was an anomaly and shouldn't be used as a basis for next season. Too much chance in baseball.
I got them at 94-95 wins and winning the division.