If Cutler doesn't put it together this year, its never going to happen

[WalkinShoesON]

Their arguments are so weak, that's all it could possibly be.

I don't think you have the ability to grasp what is a "strong" and what is a "weak" argument, since you're e-persona has never actually shown an ability to hold a coherent conversation that doesn't devolve into name-calling and bullshit. Funny how you describe others' arguments are "weak," when in fact I have seen you insinuate that Jay Cutler is a not just someone you dislike, but also a "bad quarterback" without any concrete evidence whatsoever to back it up and despite the fact he is universally thought of as one of the top 15 quarterbacks in the NFL. But go ahead and dismiss me as some "Cutler fanboy" or "*** Cutler lover" or whatever you do dismiss people who don't view football through the same poopy-colored lenses that you seem to.

 

[botfly10]

I noticed some improvent in areas but his numbers still the same as they ever were so it wasn't that profound.

May want to take a look at the difference in red zone turn overs.

 

[FrenchieBully]

omg his QB rating is not as high as others. abandon ship!

His play during his last 5 games of last year was simply amazing, and if I see that again this year, I won't have any problem with that. **** the numbers.

Yeah, and the interceptions he did make were mostly due to our shitty receivers who couldn't bet their man, had alligator arms, ran their routes wrong, or slipped (which is how Cutler ended up breaking his thumb). Marshall alone will turn one awful wide receiver position to elite status.

 

[onebud34]

You missed the point Bud, just like I miss the point of your Sam Wyche sig.

the writer had no point though. He was writing a fluff article

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I wonder how some men can skirt the issue soo many times instead of admitting when they are wrong...soo many times!
Laughable man! Did Spartan really say the Hanie and Flynn comments? I would definitely believe that.
Crow eating time. Man up if u did Spartan.

I did not. What I actually said was the Bears could still win with D and special teams even if Hanie was below average. And I said maybe Flynn is a good QB. Would I say he absolutely sucks now based on 1 preseason with his new team? No, only a fool would do that.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

the writer had no point though. He was writing a fluff article

The point was simple and telling. If a QB doesn't show he has it in his first 4 years, he likely just does not have it so you can stop talking about his potential.

 

[Midway Fields]

Their arguments are so weak, that's all it could possibly be.

 

[WalkinShoesON]

May want to take a look at the difference in red zone turn overs.

I don't know why any of us even bother. Jay Cutler could win ten super bowls, go to ten pro bowls, re-write every Bears passing record, and this boob still would find something to complain about. He quite obviously believes it is more important to stick to his guns and look right, since he most likely chastised the Bears for making the deal in the first place, than to acknowledge that in fact Jay Cutler is a very good football player. People who take that avenue in their lives tend to be the most ignorant when it comes to most subjects, and are not worth getting into arguments with since they will believe what they want despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If I believe Jay Cutler devolves into a shitty Quarterback, I will say so based on what I see. This overwhelming positive/negative back and forth is for children.

 

[onebud34]

The point was simple and telling. If a QB doesn't show he has it in his first 4 years, he likely just does not have it so you can stop talking about his potential.

His own article contradicts that point...if even that was it. I think it's more the case of a deadline to release a story

 

[botfly10]

His big improvements were mainly due to the regression he had in 2009. There was a similar discussion in a different thread when some guy was trying to downgrade Matt Ryan in comparison to Jay Cutler, and his only "point" was that Cutler has improved in the past couple seasons whereas Ryan has stayed the same. Acknowledging Cutler's big improvements is kind of like damning with faint praise, IMO.

I think he still showed improvement in 2010/2011 over his Bronco years in decision making and overall leadership.

Personally, I am not sure Cutler will ever be a top 3 or even top 5 QB and I have come to terms with that... But I do think that he can be a top 10, maybe even top 7 QB. And I think that he can also be an effective leader of the offense and is fully capable of leading the Bears to a Super Bowl or two.

And I guess, while having the best QB in the NFL would always be preferable, Cutler is plenty good enough for me.

Overall, I no longer have that doomed from the start feeling when watching the Bears O take the field and thats exciting as **** to me.

 

[WalkinShoesON]

His big improvements were mainly due to the regression he had in 2009. There was a similar discussion in a different thread when some guy was trying to downgrade Matt Ryan in comparison to Jay Cutler, and his only "point" was that Cutler has improved in the past couple seasons whereas Ryan has stayed the same. Acknowledging Cutler's big improvements is kind of like damning with faint praise, IMO.

See, this is actually a valid, well-thought out argument. I was, however, under the impression his red-zone interception rate was down considerably from what he has posted throughout his career? I could be wrong on that, but I digress. I am satisfied with even incremental improvement in this regard, but would also like to see a leap in overall numbers with a vastly improved receiving corps (provided that the line can at least be below-average and not atrocious). I am of the opinion that, much like John Elway, that IF Cutler is poised to make that next step, it won't be until well into his 30's...but that's just my opinion.

 

[sevvy]

Spartan may always be dead wrong when it comes to Cutler, but at least he's been able to maintain his composure and show class.

 

[Midway Fields]

I think he still showed improvement in 2010/2011 over his Bronco years in decision making and overall leadership.

Personally, I am not sure Cutler will ever be a top 3 or even top 5 QB and I have come to terms with that... But I do think that he can be a top 10, maybe even top 7 QB. And I think that he can also be an effective leader of the offense and is fully capable of leading the Bears to a Super Bowl or two.

And I guess, while having the best QB in the NFL would always be preferable, Cutler is plenty good enough for me.

Overall, I no longer have that doomed from the start feeling when watching the Bears O take the field and thats exciting as **** to me.

It is obvious he has improved his decision making, especially in the red zone and and has been more consistent. He had 1 bad year. These little bitches need to get over it.

 

[Midway Fields]

Spartan may always be dead wrong when it comes to Cutler, but at least he's been able to maintain his composure and show class.

:roll:

 

[WalkinShoesON]

The point was simple and telling. If a QB doesn't show he has it in his first 4 years, he likely just does not have it so you can stop talking about his potential.

And that "fact" has been blasted out of the stratosphere by guys like Eli Manning, John Elway, Rich Gannon and a myriad of others who have bucked that trend. Look...if you want to say "Jay Cutler needs to improve for my taste," go right the **** ahead, and I highly doubt anyone will criticize you for it. But this "look, see, I found this subjective chart that shows I'm right" just shows how little you actually know about football. If you knew even the slightest iota close to what you claim with regards to the game, you would know not to pigeon-hole players and talk in absolutes about a player's potential. Each player is different. This isn't John Madden Football.

 

[L GUAPO]

Funny pic Midway!
I love this message board! It allows us to show a little more emotion and back it up with some funny shit!!!!

 

[MrOuija]

I think he'll do okay as long as the line isn't a horror show. I want to see some year-long consistency, for him to play a whole season, and most importantly for him to finally show up against the Packers. He's more than capable of those things, he just has to do it.

 

[WalkinShoesON]

I think he'll do okay as long as the line isn't a horror show. I want to see some year-long consistency, for him to play a whole season, and most importantly for him to finally show up against the Packers. He's more than capable of those things, he just has to do it.

Agreed. He had one decent game against Green Bay in 2010, but has been very unsuccessful against them overall. To the naked eye, without putting any research into it, it seems like Cutler struggled somewhat against the 3-4 defense for his first two years here, and really seemed to improve last year. Will be interesting to see what he does against GB this year with a vastly improved receiving corps, and a Packers secondary that really doesn't strike fear into anyone.

 

[botfly10]

Also, this statement is so generalized:

"If Cutler doesn't put it together this year, its never going to happen"

I mean, what the hell is "it"?

Personally, I could really give a shit if Cutler is ever a top 5 QB. All I really care about is whether he leads an offense that contributes to a contending team.

 

[ijustposthere]

And that "fact" has been blasted out of the stratosphere by guys like Eli Manning, John Elway, Rich Gannon and a myriad of others who have bucked that trend. Look...if you want to say "Jay Cutler needs to improve for my taste," go right the **** ahead, and I highly doubt anyone will criticize you for it. But this "look, see, I found this subjective chart that shows I'm right" just shows how little you actually know about football. If you knew even the slightest iota close to what you claim with regards to the game, you would know not to pigeon-hole players and talk in absolutes about a player's potential. Each player is different. This isn't John Madden Football.

HEY! WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM WITH MADDEN FOOTBALL?!