IGT: Cubs @ Giants Game 4(NLDS)

[CSF77]

Last night was the single most exciting Cubs moment I have experienced in 50+ years as a Cubs fan. Admittedly, I am one of the most pessimistic Cubs fans on the planet. I believe in the curse. I believe in chokes. Seen a lot over the last 50+ years in Chicago sports. Yet, I believe in this team and am glad I'm on the right side of the grass to witness this.

I really thought we'd win it all last year after how we did against the Pirates and Cardinals. I never saw us getting swept by the Mets and I thought then "same old same old." This team is built quite differently than last year and I commend Theo on those moves plus some brilliant managing by Maddon who is one of the best I've ever witnessed coaching the Cubs (I really did like Durocher). I wanted Theo to make the big move for Chapman or Miller because I thought the pen needed another arm. I believe in living for the moment because you never know if you'll be in the same position again. I'm glad he made the move for Chapman, especially after what happened injury wise to Strop and Rondon. This is the year. I can't wait to watch it all play out. I could care less who we play.

I believe the Trib did not care about winning. As long as the fans came in it meant more profit.

The Wriggly family had a solid run. Bill Veck's dad had good teams.

 

[Boobaby1]

Can I officially go on the books in saying I was dead wrong to trade and package Javier Baez for a front line starter a couple of months ago as I felt he was not what the Cubs needed going forward. Whoops!

Hey! You can't win them all.

Nice series all the way around Javy. Without him, the Cubs are probably home for the winter already. :yep:

 

[SilenceS]

Can I officially go on the books in saying I was dead wrong to trade and package Javier Baez for a front line starter a couple of months ago as I felt he was not what the Cubs needed going forward. Whoops!

Hey! You can't win them all.

Nice series all the way around Javy. Without him, the Cubs are probably home for the winter already. :yep:

Dont worry, people said much worse about him.

 

[CSF77]

Can I officially go on the books in saying I was dead wrong to trade and package Javier Baez for a front line starter a couple of months ago as I felt he was not what the Cubs needed going forward. Whoops!

Hey! You can't win them all.

Nice series all the way around Javy. Without him, the Cubs are probably home for the winter already. :yep:

Nah. If you get the front line controlled guy you want and let Jake walk it still is not a bad idea. Baez really doesn't have a starting spot next year with Schwarber back. Unless he spends the whole off season working on his CF D.

Joe values plus D and OBA. Baez lacks in OBA and the team loses D with him in the OF.

End of the day he is a super sub and for a top line pitching prospect you think hard on it.


That said I like depth and I would resign Fowler and stay status que. But there is a need for a back of the rotation LH arm. Best FA will be Rich Hill at 37. So if the right deal came up and they wanted Baez you have to think hard on it.

 

[TL1961]

Any GM even entertaining the thought of Baez for Rich Hill should be tarred and feathered.

 

[CSF77]

Any GM even entertaining the thought of Baez for Rich Hill should be tarred and feathered.

Not sure where that came from. Rich Hill is the top LH FA on the market this off season. That said if they want a long term 2nd LH starter they will have to use a prime trade piece to get it.

 

[Diehardfan]

Not sure where that came from. Rich Hill is the top LH FA on the market this off season. That said if they want a long term 2nd LH starter they will have to use a prime trade piece to get it.

What are you talking about? I don't care what Hill is in free agency....the only number that counts is 36. No GM would deal a 23 year old with all-star potential for a 36 year old pitcher.

 

[chibears55]

What are you talking about? I don't care what Hill is in free agency....the only number that counts is 36. No GM would deal a 23 year old with all-star potential for a 36 year old pitcher.

Lol

He not saying trade Baez for Hill

He saying, Rich Hill is the best FA available
So
If they want a YOUNG TOR starter then they may have to think hard about trading Baez to obtain such starter

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[ijustposthere]

Last night was the single most exciting Cubs moment I have experienced in 50+ years as a Cubs fan. Admittedly, I am one of the most pessimistic Cubs fans on the planet. I believe in the curse. I believe in chokes. Seen a lot over the last 50+ years in Chicago sports. Yet, I believe in this team and am glad I'm on the right side of the grass to witness this.

I really thought we'd win it all last year after how we did against the Pirates and Cardinals. I never saw us getting swept by the Mets and I thought then "same old same old." This team is built quite differently than last year and I commend Theo on those moves plus some brilliant managing by Maddon who is one of the best I've ever witnessed coaching the Cubs (I really did like Durocher). I wanted Theo to make the big move for Chapman or Miller because I thought the pen needed another arm. I believe in living for the moment because you never know if you'll be in the same position again. I'm glad he made the move for Chapman, especially after what happened injury wise to Strop and Rondon. This is the year. I can't wait to watch it all play out. I could care less who we play.

I don't believe in the curse, I believe in shitty management not putting talent on the field that is good enough to compete year in and year out.

 

[ijustposthere]

Nah. If you get the front line controlled guy you want and let Jake walk it still is not a bad idea. Baez really doesn't have a starting spot next year with Schwarber back. Unless he spends the whole off season working on his CF D.

Joe values plus D and OBA. Baez lacks in OBA and the team loses D with him in the OF.

End of the day he is a super sub and for a top line pitching prospect you think hard on it.


That said I like depth and I would resign Fowler and stay status que. But there is a need for a back of the rotation LH arm. Best FA will be Rich Hill at 37. So if the right deal came up and they wanted Baez you have to think hard on it.

Do you seriously think they will pick Zobrist over Baez? That's nuts. Baez will be the starting 2B next year, and with Fowler gone, it's more likely Heywood is in Center with Zobrist in RF.

 

[CSF77]

Do you seriously think they will pick Zobrist over Baez? That's nuts. Baez will be the starting 2B next year, and with Fowler gone, it's more likely Heywood is in Center with Zobrist in RF.

It is a thought. I'm not sure if Zo can play RF every day.

It would make more sense to move Bryant to RF every day if they went that direction then waited for Eloy to develop. 2B they have Happ developing who is a lead off type.

 

[TL1961]

Yeah, I misread that. So stunned at the thought, I didn't see that he wasn't suggesting that. Was prepared to have him committed. ? My mistake.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I don't believe in the curse, I believe in shitty management not putting talent on the field that is good enough to compete year in and year out.

100% correct.

 

[Parade_Rain]

I didn't believe in Baez because of his bat and he did make errors last year. He certainly is a hard worker and you can see that he is an instinctively good baserunner. He still needs to take some walks, but his barrel control and pitch recognition has improved tremendously. I can't imagine the Cubs would trade him now. It's possible he and Zobrist swap roles next season.

 

[CSF77]

I didn't believe in Baez because of his bat and he did make errors last year. He certainly is a hard worker and you can see that he is an instinctively good baserunner. He still needs to take some walks, but his barrel control and pitch recognition has improved tremendously. I can't imagine the Cubs would trade him now. It's possible he and Zobrist swap roles next season.

I doubt they flip them. It would be bad faith to do that.

OBA: Zo .386.

1-4 in the line up all had a .385 OBA or higher. Baez was for the most part hitting 6-8. Again more to do with his OBA. Heyward got bumped down due to his OBA.

Baez has amazing skills and is high energy. But that also leads to the errors he makes.

At the end of the day you have to look at the boring stuff like OBA and how that got the Cubs where they are.

Baez is a spark plug player. They shine very bright when used situationally. We saw this last offseason with Soler.

 

[SilenceS]

The Cubs would be hard pressed to trade him. They told many teams no before and now, that his true potential isnt just flashing but becoming steady. They would be hard pressed to trade someone who still has a much higher ceiling to reach.

I will say that I actually watched Baez in the minors and he always stepped up in big situations. He seems to be a guy who performs when the light shines the brightest, so lets hope he continues. I have said this all year that the Cubs are a better team when he is on the field.

 

[Washington]

Nah. If you get the front line controlled guy you want and let Jake walk it still is not a bad idea. Baez really doesn't have a starting spot next year with Schwarber back. Unless he spends the whole off season working on his CF D.

Joe values plus D and OBA. Baez lacks in OBA and the team loses D with him in the OF.

End of the day he is a super sub and for a top line pitching prospect you think hard on it.


That said I like depth and I would resign Fowler and stay status que. But there is a need for a back of the rotation LH arm. Best FA will be Rich Hill at 37. So if the right deal came up and they wanted Baez you have to think hard on it.

I do agree with this. It is going to cost Theo some talent to get a top line starter. But damn, it would be hard to give up Baez and I'm still not sure I personally would. I do hope they don't pay Arrieta and I don't expect they will unless he's willing to take middle of rotation type money.

 

[SilenceS]

I doubt they flip them. It would be bad faith to do that.

OBA: Zo .386.

1-4 in the line up all had a .385 OBA or higher. Baez was for the most part hitting 6-8. Again more to do with his OBA. Heyward got bumped down due to his OBA.

Baez has amazing skills and is high energy. But that also leads to the errors he makes.

At the end of the day you have to look at the boring stuff like OBA and how that got the Cubs where they are.

Baez is a spark plug player. They shine very bright when used situationally. We saw this last offseason with Soler.

What? This is nothing like Soler. Baez had almost a 3fWAR this year as a part time player playing multiple positions. He excelled when he started. No one is saying Zobrist is being traded, but the Cubs dont need all high OBA guys. Baez could legit give a .900 OPS with that D. Zobrist showed this year he can not play a full year without getting extremely tired mid season.

Baez is much more than a spark plug player. You are trying to pass him off as an Augie Ojeda.

 

[ijustposthere]

I doubt they flip them. It would be bad faith to do that.

OBA: Zo .386.

1-4 in the line up all had a .385 OBA or higher. Baez was for the most part hitting 6-8. Again more to do with his OBA. Heyward got bumped down due to his OBA.

Baez has amazing skills and is high energy. But that also leads to the errors he makes.

At the end of the day you have to look at the boring stuff like OBA and how that got the Cubs where they are.

Baez is a spark plug player. They shine very bright when used situationally. We saw this last offseason with Soler.

Baez played in 142 games and had 450 plate appearances. That's hardly situational.

 

[fatbeard]

Figuring out how to get Baez more regular playing time next year while still balancing the lineup is going to be a real issue. Assuming Fowler departs via FA, Zobrist is the only hitter left capable of leading off, and so the Cubs will still have to find a way to keep him in the lineup regularly, which means more time in the outfield where there's already a logjam between Schwarber, Soler, Almora, and Heyward--and sometimes Bryant.