IGT: Cubs @ Giants Game 4(NLDS)

[TC in Mississippi]

Fair enough, but the reality is that the Cubs simply weren't hitting. Rizzo and Fowler still both have 1 hit. Add to that, Cueto has been VERY hard against the Cubs at Wrigley and they'd have Bum coming out of the Pen. You could say 'Hendricks out the pen if Lester got in trouble'. But is Hendricks really 100% after taking that pitch

The point is that baseball is about matchups. I simply did not like the Cueto/Bum matchup against an entire team with dead bats save one guy (Bryant) in a 'all pressure one the Cubs' game at Wrigley. I wasn't alone. It was the first thing that Maddon mentioned.

That's why Game 4 was the MUST win for the Cubs. I'm glad they did it - but let's be honest - NO ONE and I mean NO ONE expected that to happen.

We were all worried about facing Cueto in a game 5 and yes including Maddon. That's just looking at the bigger picture. I still would have gone into game 5 knowing we had the better team but the better team doesn't always win and often that's nearly completely out of their control. We lost one game in the series by a single run. Yes there have been hitting struggles and Lackey had a tough go. To me none of that warranted a lot of the talk here. I think there are some things in baseball that just transpire in a certain way no matter how prepared one team is over another or how well someone performs. The playoffs are essentially random as a whole but the NLDS of just 5 games is even more random than that. Most baseball people will tell you the 2001 Mariners were, by far and away, the best team they ever saw and yet despite 116 wins they lost in the ALCS. The Braves won an absurd amount of division titles and won exactly one WS crown. Were they a bad team? I think they just got bitten by the baseball thing. Listen, I was bitching about what was going on yesterday too but I didn't see anybody doing anything wrong. A pitcher was pitching his A game which usually means the opposition doesn't hit him much. I also don't by the bit about Boche making wrong moves to enable the win. The moves were unconventional but only wrong in hindsight. The Cubs won that game because they're a good team that rose to a challenge.

 

[Ari Bear]

I think that whole Cubs/Sox thing is for the fans. A guy like Frank Thomas, who is from Georgia, probably doesn't care all that much about it - like most players.

For time eternal, the 'rivalry' will exist. Cubs fans will think South Side Sox fans are white trash. Sox fans will think North Side Cubs fans are ghey and that Wrigley is just a bar that holds 38K people.

I could care less about that shit. I'm a Chicago guy. I grew up 6 blocks from Wrigley field and have vivid memories of my mom taking us kids to 1:20 Cubs games. But I also have a grandfather who grew up in Cicero and took me to Sox games. It wasn't uncommon for us to go to a Cubs game on Friday and a Sox game on Sunday.

I want Chicago teams to win. Period.

Well said my friend.

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[TL1961]

First off, ShawonOMeter, I owe you an apology. I was upset at many fans' overreactions, and I included you in that group unfairly. I am sorry for that.

I was not taking issue to people posting a negative reaction to a play or an overall performance. I have a problem with the type of fan who watches two professional trams in a competition, who thinks any time a play goes well for one, the other "choked" or is "garbage". Yes, FatBabies....that was you, in spite of your Trumpian claim today that "nobody called them garbage".

Some "fans" here are so ignorant, they think every hitter should be hot in every series and every game, and if not, they mock the "MVP".

That never happens. Let alone against Bumgarner and Cueto.

And lastly.....

People, stop saying NOBODY expected the Cubs to come back when there was clearly one guy, ahem!, who kept saying there would be no Game 5. The same guy who said Saturday, we aren't coming back to Wrigley, because all you have to do is get to that pen.

I also predicted we'd get to Bum, but we failed to knock him out.

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[Diehardfan]

First off, ShawonOMeter, I owe you an apology. I was upset at many fans' overreactions, and I included you in that group unfairly. I am sorry for that.

I was not taking issue to people posting a negative reaction to a play or an overall performance. I have a problem with the type of fan who watches two professional trams in a competition, who thinks any time a play goes well for one, the other "choked" or is "garbage". Yes, FatBabies....that was you, in spite of your Trumpian claim today that "nobody called them garbage".

Some "fans" here are so ignorant, they think every hitter should be hot in every series and every game, and if not, they mock the "MVP".

That never happens. Let alone against Bumgarner and Cueto.

And lastly.....

People, stop saying NOBODY expected the Cubs to come back when there was clearly one guy, ahem!, who kept saying there would be no Game 5. The same guy who said Saturday, we aren't coming back to Wrigley, because all you have to do is get to that pen.

I also predicted we'd get to Bum, but we failed to knock him out.

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Just too many bandwagon jumpers on leave from Troll City aka the Bears Forum. Most of them haven't set foot in this Forum till the playoffs started, yet they are convinced that they have keen knowledge of everything Cubs.

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

Then, the Cubs come back and not a sound from him. Shocked? I am not.

Not a sound? I was back on the thread this AM.

I wound up watching the balance of the game at a bar in SF with some co-workers hence, not being on. You do understand that some people may have lives, right?

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

First off, ShawonOMeter, I owe you an apology. I was upset at many fans' overreactions, and I included you in that group unfairly. I am sorry for that.

I was not taking issue to people posting a negative reaction to a play or an overall performance. I have a problem with the type of fan who watches two professional trams in a competition, who thinks any time a play goes well for one, the other "choked" or is "garbage". Yes, FatBabies....that was you, in spite of your Trumpian claim today that "nobody called them garbage".

Some "fans" here are so ignorant, they think every hitter should be hot in every series and every game, and if not, they mock the "MVP".

That never happens. Let alone against Bumgarner and Cueto.

And lastly.....

People, stop saying NOBODY expected the Cubs to come back when there was clearly one guy, ahem!, who kept saying there would be no Game 5. The same guy who said Saturday, we aren't coming back to Wrigley, because all you have to do is get to that pen.

I also predicted we'd get to Bum, but we failed to knock him out.

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A guy who is either first or second in MVP voting getting one hit in an entire series after shitting the bed at the plate in the prior post season? Yes, that's precisely what choking is.

Some guys are clutch - like Daniel Murphy last post season or even Moore last night. Getting one hit is the opposite of clutch.

I never said 'hot', but I would expect a guy who is quite possibly going to be the MVP, to get more than one hit in a series. Silly me.

And great, you predicted whatever it is you predicted. You get a gold star and a cookie!

You who didn't expect the Cubs to come back down 3 in the 9th? EVERY fucking person who isn't lying the day after. That's what made last night's game so insane and memorable - not unlike 17 seconds. What happened last night simply does not happen. The history doesn't lie. Thousands upon thousands of playoff games. That shit just does not happen. That's why it was one for the ages.

And of course, the obligatory 'fans' in quotes. Like every other moron on the Bears forum who feels they get to define what a 'fan' is.

 

[pseudonym]

Wild game. Thought we were toast for sure. Hell of a 9th inning.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Can FatBabiesHaveNoPride get the Hawk treatment in this forum, please.

 

[SilenceS]

Can FatBabiesHaveNoPride get the Hawk treatment in this forum, please.

Report enough of his post

 

[SilenceS]

Not a sound? I was back on the thread this AM.

I wound up watching the balance of the game at a bar in SF with some co-workers hence, not being on. You do understand that some people may have lives, right?

Yes, I am positive you do not have one.

Choke, garbage, 700 years of losing!!!!

 

[ijustposthere]

Its the playoffs. Teams dont tee off. The Red Sox had the best offense in the league and the Cleveland shut them down in 3. You look for clutch hits. The Cubs got clutch hits in 3 out of 4 games.

They actually got them in all 4. Bryant's HR in Game 3 was pretty clutch.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Report enough of his post

I don't want a KB situation. I have never reported one of his posts, yet I can't post over there and he gets to bark for an hour until his posts get deleted. :lol:

 

[SilenceS]

They actually got them in all 4. Bryant's HR in Game 3 was pretty clutch.

You are correct on that one


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[ijustposthere]

A guy who is either first or second in MVP voting getting one hit in an entire series after shitting the bed at the plate in the prior post season? Yes, that's precisely what choking is.

Some guys are clutch - like Daniel Murphy last post season or even Moore last night. Getting one hit is the opposite of clutch.

I never said 'hot', but I would expect a guy who is quite possibly going to be the MVP, to get more than one hit in a series. Silly me.

And great, you predicted whatever it is you predicted. You get a gold star and a cookie!

You who didn't expect the Cubs to come back down 3 in the 9th? EVERY fucking person who isn't lying the day after. That's what made last night's game so insane and memorable - not unlike 17 seconds. What happened last night simply does not happen. The history doesn't lie. Thousands upon thousands of playoff games. That shit just does not happen. That's why it was one for the ages.

And of course, the obligatory 'fans' in quotes. Like every other moron on the Bears forum who feels they get to define what a 'fan' is.

Rizzo looked much better at the plate last night. Hopefully he starts playing like he's capable. Quit expanding the zone, and he did come through when they needed him. He got on base and scored in the 9th. As for the 9th, there's a difference between expecting them to come back, and knowing that it isn't impossible for them to string some hits together and put up a crooked number.

 

[RacerX]

rose is not a good fit in life.

fify

 

[Parade_Rain]

fify

Lame. If you actually want to state an opinion of Rose, do it yourself with your own post. No need to deliberately misrepresent mine.

 

[DanTown]

Cubs slash line for the series
.200/.247/.350
Average Runs - 4.25

Cubs slash line for the Mets series
.164/.225/.297
Average Runs - 2.00

Cubs slash line regular season
.256/.343/.429
Average Runs - 4.98

Giants slash line
.252/.275/.343
Average Runs - 3.25

Giants slash line regular season
.258/.329/.398
Average runs - 4.41

It's great the team won, technically we only really care about the outcome of playoff baseball. In the regular season, you have stretches where you lose games you shouldn't and win games you shouldn't but overall, you do not really care about an individual game. In the playoffs, your playoff life is decided by those games. The Cubs lost a game they had a 75% win chance at the top of the 8th and they won a game where they had a 3% win expectancy in the top of the 9th. That's baseball life.If the Cubs had lost this series, we'd all remember that they lost a game with a lead in the 8th inning with that bullpen.

HOWEVER, you can also say that before that inning, the Cubs were playing terribly because they were.

Cubs before the ninth
24 - 134 (.179), 7 BB, 38 K, 13 runs

Cubs in the ninth
4 - 6, 1 BB, 0K, 4 runs

"complaining" or "pointing out" the bad play is not wrong. Them winning doesn't change the fact they played poorly for eight innings; they just played a good enough ninth inning to win.

 

[TL1961]

Complaining about poor play is not wrong.

Saying "we suck", they are "garbage" or "useless" is.

Posting over and over and over about crrtain players adds nothing.

 

[CSF77]

Javy Baez is one of the most dangerous defensive weapons I've ever seen. He's an elite 2B, an elite SS, an elite 3B and could probably be an elite CF. And I can't think of a better manager to deploy him than Maddon. I love Zobrist - but Javy will be playing 2B from here on out. Zobrist is an incredibly clutch hitter and a versatile defender -- but he's better suited in the OF now.

All year I kept touting Russell because he's such a good two-way player. But I had it wrong -- it's Baez that is the juggernaut.

Are you talking post season or next year?

 

[Washington]

Last night was the single most exciting Cubs moment I have experienced in 50+ years as a Cubs fan. Admittedly, I am one of the most pessimistic Cubs fans on the planet. I believe in the curse. I believe in chokes. Seen a lot over the last 50+ years in Chicago sports. Yet, I believe in this team and am glad I'm on the right side of the grass to witness this.

I really thought we'd win it all last year after how we did against the Pirates and Cardinals. I never saw us getting swept by the Mets and I thought then "same old same old." This team is built quite differently than last year and I commend Theo on those moves plus some brilliant managing by Maddon who is one of the best I've ever witnessed coaching the Cubs (I really did like Durocher). I wanted Theo to make the big move for Chapman or Miller because I thought the pen needed another arm. I believe in living for the moment because you never know if you'll be in the same position again. I'm glad he made the move for Chapman, especially after what happened injury wise to Strop and Rondon. This is the year. I can't wait to watch it all play out. I could care less who we play.