IGT: Cubs @ Giants Game 4(NLDS)

[Omeletpants]

 

[SilenceS]

The angriest Mod. Could be a title to a book

"Cubs have morphed into one of the worst teams in baseball. Not a chance in hell they would win a single playoff game. Forum members and ESPN reporters claiming this is one of the best teams in history are fucking morons." Egg Scrambles prediction

 

[Omeletpants]

"Cubs have morphed into one of the worst teams in baseball. Not a chance in hell they would win a single playoff game. Forum members and ESPN reporters claiming this is one of the best teams in history are fucking morons." Egg Scrambles prediction

OG Troll Mod

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

Arod surprised me as well.

He was fantastic.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Rose is not a good fit in the broadcast. Both Arod and Frank have been very good.

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

You and a couple others had this team done for the season already. And what happened in the 9th has happened 3 other times, all in the 86 postseason.

I didn't have them done. I had them losing the game. As did 99.99% of human beings. They simply were NOT hitting.

There's a reason the media is going insane over this game. It simply doesn't happen. Even if it did happen in 1986 - that's 30 years ago. Think of ALL the playoff games that have been played in the last 30 years. This simply doesn't happen. Especially doesn't happen with a team that was (and frankly still is) hitting HORRIBLY.

Every person had that game as a loss and was looking to game 5.

Let's say they DO go to Game 5. Lester v. Cueto. Cueto dominated the Cubs in Game 1. He made ONE mistake. ONE. And the ball barely got out. If that wind isnt blowing, the Posey ball gets out. Game 5 would have featured Cueto starting and Bum out of the pen - against a team that isn't hitting. That's what makes this so crazy.

Even Maddon said he was very concerned about the chances against Cueto at Wrigley. He shuts the Cubs down at Wrigley (.240 BA). I didn't like the chances.

That's being objective.

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

Yeah and of course we had some of that here. The reality of last nights game was that Matt Moore pitched one hell of a game and the bats struggled against him, and have been struggling. Great pitching beats good hitting and he was beating us. I didn't see anyone "mentally broken" except for some of the chicken little fans. Like Maddon I didn't want any part of Cueto but I wasn't terrified of what was next. Our boys have come through all year and the numbers tell us they should keep coming through. The NLDS was the series in which we were the most vulnerable. Small sample size against very good pitching and a team that had been their before. The panic last night on all three Cubs fan sites I frequent was disturbing. Even when it was 3-2 there was talk about how Maddon sucks, the curse was real and more nonsense. Keep in mind that this was all about, at that time, a team that was up 2-1 in the series and had only lost the 1 in extras by 1 freaking run.

There is a segment of the Cubs fanbase that has gotten so wrapped up in the 108 years thing that they seethe with anger when things don't go exactly our way. Theo Epstein has built a team that will get to the playoffs most years for a stretch and that's how you win championships. Baseball is going to baseball. I don't want to lose but I don't fear it like I did with poorly constructed teams of the past. Plus this team is built around pitching and defense a refrain I remember fans bitching about, and rightfully so, in prior runs. So much of October baseball is chance. An infield hit, a guy who never makes errors making one or even two, a poor matchup in a series all these things are a part of playoff baseball. Someone said last night that Maddon was the Bobby Cox of this decade alluding to the fact that the Braves got their a lot but only won once. If you honestly think that diminishes the greatness of Bobby Cox and his Braves teams of a decade and a half you haven't got a clue about this game. True fans are critical of the play on the field when warranted but not angry, spiteful and frankly hateful. That's bush league.

Fair enough, but the reality is that the Cubs simply weren't hitting. Rizzo and Fowler still both have 1 hit. Add to that, Cueto has been VERY hard against the Cubs at Wrigley and they'd have Bum coming out of the Pen. You could say 'Hendricks out the pen if Lester got in trouble'. But is Hendricks really 100% after taking that pitch

The point is that baseball is about matchups. I simply did not like the Cueto/Bum matchup against an entire team with dead bats save one guy (Bryant) in a 'all pressure one the Cubs' game at Wrigley. I wasn't alone. It was the first thing that Maddon mentioned.

That's why Game 4 was the MUST win for the Cubs. I'm glad they did it - but let's be honest - NO ONE and I mean NO ONE expected that to happen.

 

[NCChiFan]

From an individual stand point, Baez, Russell, Kris Byant, Contreras and Almora are all so young -- they have a ways to go before they are polished. Rizzo is 27 so I wouldn't expect astronomical improvement, but he's got years before he shows decline. Heyward will certainly improve from his horrible season this year.

From a positional player standpoint, this team is stacked for a long, long time. We'll just have to buy pitching.

And, next season the Cubs are going to have to find a spot for Schwarber.

 

[SilenceS]

Just landed off a delayed flight. Glad to see the Cubs bats have woken up.

I don't like the vibe of this game so far.

Maybe the analytics around 100 win teams proves true.

Pretty pathetic effort overall by the Cubs bats.

Russell is garbage.

This team is choking before our eyes.

Bit players on SF playing small ball. Moving runners along. Trying to plate runs.

Simply out hitting the Cubs.

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[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

Frank Thomas seemed really happy that the Cubs won. Which I thought was cool considering he was a White Sox player for years.

Sent from my Samsung S6 Edge

I think that whole Cubs/Sox thing is for the fans. A guy like Frank Thomas, who is from Georgia, probably doesn't care all that much about it - like most players.

For time eternal, the 'rivalry' will exist. Cubs fans will think South Side Sox fans are white trash. Sox fans will think North Side Cubs fans are ghey and that Wrigley is just a bar that holds 38K people.

I could care less about that shit. I'm a Chicago guy. I grew up 6 blocks from Wrigley field and have vivid memories of my mom taking us kids to 1:20 Cubs games. But I also have a grandfather who grew up in Cicero and took me to Sox games. It wasn't uncommon for us to go to a Cubs game on Friday and a Sox game on Sunday.

I want Chicago teams to win. Period.

 

[NCChiFan]

Fair enough, but the reality is that the Cubs simply weren't hitting. Rizzo and Fowler still both have 1 hit. Add to that, Cueto has been VERY hard against the Cubs at Wrigley and they'd have Bum coming out of the Pen. You could say 'Hendricks out the pen if Lester got in trouble'. But is Hendricks really 100% after taking that pitch

The point is that baseball is about matchups. I simply did not like the Cueto/Bum matchup against an entire team with dead bats save one guy (Bryant) in a 'all pressure one the Cubs' game at Wrigley. I wasn't alone. It was the first thing that Maddon mentioned.

That's why Game 4 was the MUST win for the Cubs. I'm glad they did it - but let's be honest - NO ONE and I mean NO ONE expected that to happen.

In fact, I went to bed in the 8th and watched the 9th like a crazy person. Good thing the wife was working late or I would have been kicked out.

Edit: And I think all of us should have issues with the fact the top of the order wasn't hitting this series, and frankly at the end of the playoffs last year as well. Rizzo has some sort of post season jitters he has got to work out of. Fowler not as concerned about. Am also, unexpectedly happy this AM for the poor management decision by the Giants manager using his closers at the end of the game.

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

Lol, you are such a lying sack of shit. You came on to troll and the Cubs came all over your face like my daddy did ya in prison.

You aren't a very smart person are you?

 

[SilenceS]

Lackey imploding.

To be expected.

Never fear. Jason Heyward is leading off.

They needed a good effort from the pitcher to close out the series and avoid a game 5 against a pitcher that made one bad pitch in an entire game. They didn't

The bats needed to wake up after 3 terrible games. They haven't.

That is precisely choking.

What the **** are you talking about

You are happy with a pitcher putting forth a weak effort when you needed a gem?

You are happy with an entire roster not hitting in an entire series?

You're weird

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[SilenceS]

Of course he's giving effort. It's just not good enough.

This isn't little league. People don't care about effort. He was given big money to perform in the playoffs Not give effort.

The bats aren't clicking. Needed him to come
out with great stuff and shut the series out.

He lasted 4 innings. He gave up and rbi single to a pitcher on an 0-2 count and failed to properly cover a base that would have ended an inning. That was two runs.

That 'effort' wasn't good enough.

Let's see how maddon manages the bullpen after last night.
Really shitty effort by Lackey. Bullpen got used last night so need the starter to give 6 plus. Lackey - the guy signed for the playoffs - didn't come through.

If Baez fields that ball cleanly Pence is dead at 3rd

Bullpen has sucked last two nights as well. Pitching and hitting letting this team
down.

But hey, they won 100 regular season games and had a big party.

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[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

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You spent that much time going through my posts? Don't you have a job or a life?

But feel free to disagree with any of the points. Lackey DID have a bad outing. He lasted 4 innings. Matt Moore pitched a gem and should have been given the 9th with their shitty bullpen. He retired the Cubs 1-2-3 in the 8th with two strikeouts.

Heyward CAN'T hit and hasn't all season. His bunt was terrible. Fortunately, he's very fast and caused a bad throw.

The bats hadn't woken up. They had 2 hits through 8 innings and an abysmal team BA. Hopefully the 9th inning changed that.

All of that is objective reality. Your homerism or abject stupidity doesn't change things.

 

[SilenceS]

Choke job

It will be down to Lester v Cueto in a deciding game 5. With a Giants team that is hitting and a Cubs team that isn't.

They deserve it. Their bats are alive all though the order. Their guys are playing smart small ball. The Cubs can't hit and haven't won authying in 700 years. If the Cubs lose this series, no one will remember or care about a 103 win season.

The only chance the Cubs have is to have one of those crazy 6 run innings.

Horrendous base running by Fowler

And the MVP continues to choke.

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[SilenceS]

Two straight elimination games.

The 'playoff experience guy' lasts 4 innings.

Matt Moore gives 7 innings of two hit baseball.

If the Cubs piss this series away does the Maddon hype finally wear off? But hey, he's cool. He drinks rare wines and rides his mountain bike up to Evanston!

He is until he proves otherwise. Lots of hype surrounding that guy

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Then, the Cubs come back and not a sound from him. Shocked? I am not.

 

[SilenceS]

You spent that much time going through my posts? Don't you have a job or a life?

But feel free to disagree with any of the points. Lackey DID have a bad outing. He lasted 4 innings. Matt Moore pitched a gem and should have been given the 9th with their shitty bullpen. He retired the Cubs 1-2-3 in the 8th with two strikeouts.

Heyward CAN'T hit and hasn't all season. His bunt was terrible. Fortunately, he's very fast and caused a bad throw.

The bats hadn't woken up. They had 2 hits through 8 innings and an abysmal team BA. Hopefully the 9th inning changed that.

All of that is objective reality. Your homerism or abject stupidity doesn't change things.

It didnt take that much time. I just scrolled through pages and when I came to a really stupid post. I knew it was yours.

 

[SilenceS]

In fact, I went to bed in the 8th and watched the 9th like a crazy person. Good thing the wife was working late or I would have been kicked out.

Edit: And I think all of us should have issues with the fact the top of the order wasn't hitting this series, and frankly at the end of the playoffs last year as well. Rizzo has some sort of post season jitters he has got to work out of. Fowler not as concerned about. Am also, unexpectedly happy this AM for the poor management decision by the Giants manager using his closers at the end of the game.

Its the playoffs. Teams dont tee off. The Red Sox had the best offense in the league and the Cleveland shut them down in 3. You look for clutch hits. The Cubs got clutch hits in 3 out of 4 games.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Then, the Cubs come back and not a sound from him. Shocked? I am not.

I noticed that too.

Didn't notice him posting at all in this series until the Cubs are down last night, then it's happy fingers spewing rapid fire negativity or as he calls it being objective.

Objectivity is fine but that wasn't FBHNP"s narrative.