Is Patrick Mahomes already the greatest QB ever?

[remydat]

They are definitely going to be 1A and 1B. But in what order really depends on how long he plays. Remember, Brady essentially had 3 stand alone HOF careers in each decade of his 20s, 30s and 40s. While the stretch of Mahomes is better than any stretch of Brady, he has to be elite well into his late 30s or the nod is going to go to Brady.

Not really. Plenty of guys played more years than Jordan. And Russell won 2 more titles. Babe Ruth is considered better than Hank Aaron despite Aaron playing longer and breaking his HR record.

If you measure GOAT by consistency then sure Mahomes has a long way to go. If you measure it by who had the longest period of sustained dominance then Mahomes already has Brady beat.

For me if I had to win one game, I am taking Mahomes no doubt. I can more easily defend Brady than Mahomes as Mahomes is comparable to Brady as a pocket passer but is vastly superior on the move and using his feet.

SB appearances and wins aren't the only thing that matters, and who cares? Brady has 3+ great 7 year periods in his career. Let's allow Mahomes to get to at least 2 please.

See above. Cant think of any sport where GOAT is measured by who played the longest. It is usually always who was most dominant during their peak years.

 

[abegibronreborn]

Brady and Manning never had shit like this:

Year 1: AFC Championship
Year 2: Won Super Bowl
Year 3: Lost Super Bowl
Year 4: AFC Championship
Year 5: Won Super Bowl
Year 6: Won Super Bowl
Year 7: Super Bowl

Quickest QB to 50 TDs
Quickest QB to 100 TDs
Quickest QB to 150 TDs
Quickest QB to 200 TDs
Quickest QB to 250 TDs

Between Regular Season and Super Bowl: 5 MVPs in his first 7 years.


We’ve never seen anything close to this level of excellence.

Fair question. Obviously, he's pretty good.

He also benefits from being in a good situation.

Would he had been as successful if the Bears had taken him instead of Trubisky?

Call me skeptical on that one.

 

[knoxville7]

Fair question. Obviously, he's pretty good.

He also benefits from being in a good situation.

Would he had been as successful if the Bears had taken him instead of Trubisky?

Call me skeptical on that one.

okay, so?!

if tom brady had played for the Raiders, do you think he gets as many rings?

we can play that game both ways

 

[remydat]

Fair question. Obviously, he's pretty good.

He also benefits from being in a good situation.

Would he had been as successful if the Bears had taken him instead of Trubisky?

Call me skeptical on that one.

I believe Brady has never won a Super Bowl without a top 10 scoring D. You have to be in a good situation to win multiple Super Bowls.

 

[Toast88]

Fair question. Obviously, he's pretty good.

He also benefits from being in a good situation.

Would he had been as successful if the Bears had taken him instead of Trubisky?

Call me skeptical on that one.

Would Brady be as good if he wasn't in New England?

We could play this game all day long. They ended up where they ended up. That's part of the story, my friend.

 

[BNB]

Mahomes has the best start to his career in NFL history. What he's been able to accomplish in 7 years is insane, especially if he wins his 4th Super Bowl.

I'd still take Brady right now though.

I don't think Mahomes necessarily needs to win 7 Super Bowls to overtake Brady, but I'd like to see him be as dominant as Brady was over a similar span of time. Brady dominated for 20 years and was always in conversation to win a Super Bowl. As of right now, that's the case for Mahomes... but will it be for the next 10-12 years? Time will tell.

When it's all said and done, I think it's very likely that Mahomes is considered the goat, but for the time being, I'll take Brady

 

[Toast88]

Mahomes has the best start to his career in NFL history. What he's been able to accomplish in 7 years is insane, especially if he wins his 4th Super Bowl.

I'd still take Brady right now though.

I don't think Mahomes necessarily needs to win 7 Super Bowls to overtake Brady, but I'd like to see him be as dominant as Brady was over a similar span of time. Brady dominated for 20 years and was always in conversation to win a Super Bowl. As of right now, that's the case for Mahomes... but will it be for the next 10-12 years? Time will tell.

When it's all said and done, I think it's very likely that Mahomes is considered the goat, but for the time being, I'll take Brady

Mahomes is currently more dominant than Brady ever was, but I understand those who want to see longevity. We'll see.

 

[NeverDieEasy]

I mean can anyone think of a more successful start to a quarterback's career in all of NFL history?

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Brady and Manning never had shit like this:

Year 1: AFC Championship
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We’ve never seen anything close to this level of excellence.

Daniels =< Mahomes ???? Is the real question.

Truely year 1: NFC Championship game lost
vs. Mahomo's Year 2: AFC Championship game lost

Mahomo inherited winning team (3 consecutive playoff appearances with a 33-15 record) with established, GOAT candidate coach, after spending a year watching and learning behind a good veteran QB who was about to get his tibia wrapped around his fibula (the first human x-ray of a fibiatibula!)

Daniels started for his team game one rookie year. Took loser team from year before almost to "The Big Game"!

Mahomo - best possible situation to ever start a career? Maybe.
Daniels - not very good situation
Williams- could only dream of a not very good situation.


Football was, is and will always be a team game. Yes, talented QBs make teams better. But talented teams make QBs.

You're welcome Mr. Dilfer, Mr. McMahon, Mr. Wilson, Mr. Foles, Mr. Stafford, Mr. Dawson, Mr. Farve, Mrs. Rogers, Mr. Hostettler, Mr. Warner, Mr. Young, Mr. Namath, Mr. Williams, Mr. Rypien, Mr. Stabler, Mr. Simms, Mr. Hostettler, Mr. Flacco, Mr. Johnson, Mr. Theismann, Mr. Rothlesberger Mr. Elway, Mr. Manning, Mr. Manning's brother, AND Mr. Mahomes, 7 years and only 2 SB wins??? 8 when you lose to Philly. WTF.

Oh, and sorry about your luck Mr. Marino, you must've been a no talent, piece of crap QB.

 

[abegibronreborn]

okay, so?!

if tom brady had played for the Raiders, do you think he gets as many rings?

we can play that game both ways

You're actually making my point for me.

Bad teams do poorly at developing QB talent.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

Not really. Plenty of guys played more years than Jordan. And Russell won 2 more titles. Babe Ruth is considered better than Hank Aaron despite Aaron playing longer and breaking his HR record.

If you measure GOAT by consistency then sure Mahomes has a long way to go. If you measure it by who had the longest period of sustained dominance then Mahomes already has Brady beat.

For me if I had to win one game, I am taking Mahomes no doubt. I can more easily defend Brady than Mahomes as Mahomes is comparable to Brady as a pocket passer but is vastly superior on the move and using his feet.



See above. Cant think of any sport where GOAT is measured by who played the longest. It is usually always who was most dominant during their peak years.

I guess my point is it is arbitrary. Some people will say Aaron is better than Ruth. These are silly arguments. It's all eye of the beholder.

 

[abegibronreborn]

I guess my point is it is arbitrary. Some people will say Aaron is better than Ruth. These are silly arguments. It's all eye of the beholder.

I'll say Aaron was better than Bonds - Hank didn't need the juice.

 

[knoxville7]

You're actually making my point for me.

Bad teams do poorly at developing QB talent.

Ummmm what?

make it make sense

you questioned whether mahomes would be as great if he was a Bear

i then posit that brady wouldnt have been as good if he was a raider

you then go on about how i somehow made your point for you? is your point that brady benefited from where he was drafted? if so, then that is MY point not yours

 

[jsu34]

Montana is the floor that both Brady and Mahommes slipped on. Like Bradshaw he was undefeated in the super bowl.

He was considered the GOAT until Brady came along.

Brady has 46 4th qtr comebacks.

Until Mahommes finishes his career, Brady is the GOAT.

It's very likely Mahommes is on the verge.

 

[TexasBearfan]

look at the amount of TD's scored when Brady was young, the league at that point wasn't entirely all in on high scoring fantasy league centric powder puff games like it is now. Mahomes will still likely pass him though, he is motivated, hyper competitive, great passer, great touch and a very underrated scrambler

 

[Toast88]

Mahomes & Kelce are definitely All-World in Guys-Who-Run-In-Slow-Motion-But-Are-Unable-To-Be-Tackled.

 

[Briggs is GOAT]

just to mention it...

but Mahomes 17 game avg has more passing yards(about 400 yards more per 17 games) and TD's(4 more per 17 games) than Tom Brady's 17 game avg...so mahomes does not need to play as many seasons as Brady did to eclipse Bradys career numbers...hes ahead of Bradys pace

Would still need to play within a couple seasons, highly doubtful. Also let's see how he plays when he's not prime age anymore.

 

[Toast88]

Folks are free to think what they'd like. For those who legitimately HATE the Chiefs, though, I would just caution not to be so hateful that you miss out on generational greatness.

I root against the Chiefs, despite living here (or maybe because I live here), but I am still appreciating the unprecedented greatness.

 

[knoxville7]

Would still need to play within a couple seasons, highly doubtful. Also let's see how he plays when he's not prime age anymore.

see, that is the scary thing to consider...mahomes has still not reached his "ceiling" yet. most QB's i imagine their "primes" are ages 28-33 roughly.

Mahomes is 28 years old, just entering those "prime" years.

 

[1COBearsfan]

He doesn’t have 7 rings yet. So…no, not yet

 

[knoxville7]

He doesn’t have 7 rings yet. So…no, not yet

so whomstever has more rings is the better QB?

this logic has already been debunked, thanks!