IST: Chicago Cubs (1-1) at Colorado Rockies (2-0)

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Look everybody, Dewey is still on a mission!

Pay attention, **** nuts......

Or are you still living in 'lala' land where prospects work out and there are never any problems?

This team is going to struggle big time this year because they cant drive in runs to win games.
 

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That's basically what I meant. You just defined it better. I dont get Castro hitting cleanup either. He should be hitting 2nd instead. However he will be moved out of the cleanup spot once Bryant gets here.

I defined something better??? ... I like Castro in the 6th or 7th spot myself!
 

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Pay attention, **** nuts......

Or are you still living in 'lala' land where prospects work out and there are never any problems?

This team is going to struggle big time this year because they cant drive in runs to win games.

I'll actually give it to you this game. :fap:

However, Let's see if if it's premature, or if it's actually Love!
 

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I defined something better??? ... I like Castro in the 6th or 7th spot myself!
Yeah you defined it better. Anyways if you're going to put Castro in the 6th or 7th spot who would you put in the 2nd spot then? Surely not Soler.
 

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Yeah you defined it better. Anyways if you're going to put Castro in the 6th or 7th spot would you put in the 2nd spot then? Surely not Soler.

No, I'd rather see La Stella or Mendy in the 2 spot for now, and Soler in the cleanup spot. When Bryant comes up, and hopefully Baez, I like Soler at the 2 spot then......
 

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No, I'd rather see La Stella or Mendy in the 2 spot for now, and Soler in the cleanup spot. When Bryant comes up, and hopefully Baez, I like Soler at the 2 spot then......
No way Soler has too much power to hit the second spot. He's definitely either 3rd 4th or 5th spot in the lineup. Where power hitters usually hit.
 

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No way Soler has too much power to hit the second spot. He's definitely either 3rd 4th or 5th spot in the lineup. Where power hitters usually hit.

Power isnt the Cubs problem. Its they live or die by the long ball. Its why they are inconsistent. Soler has some of the best discipline on the team which is what is needed in the two spot. Also, Soler is like the 3 hole hitter right now with the pitcher in the 8th spot. Its early. Stop living of dying by every game. Its a 162 game season. You will have more of an idea a month from now.
 

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Power isnt the Cubs problem. Its they live or die by the long ball. Its why they are inconsistent. Soler has some of the best discipline on the team which is what is needed in the two spot. Also, Soler is like the 3 hole hitter right now with the pitcher in the 8th spot. Its early. Stop living of dying by every game. Its a 162 game season. You will have more of an idea a month from now.
I never said power was a problem. I do agree Soler has some of the best discipline but I don't like him in the 2nd spot, imo, he should be hitting 4th until Bryant comes up then move to 5th . And I'm aware the Cubs the have 162 games and it's a long season I'm just passing on some early judgment of what I seen so far.
 

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I never said power was a problem. I do agree Soler has some of the best discipline but I don't like him in the 2nd spot, imo, he should be hitting 4th until Bryant comes up then move to 5th . And I'm aware the Cubs the have 162 games and it's a long season I'm just passing on some early judgment of what I seen so far.

They may not want to put rookies in those pressure spots. Rizzo and Castro are still your best hitters until proven otherwise and should be in the most pressured spots because of it.
 

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They may not want to put rookies in those pressure spots. Rizzo and Castro are still your best hitters until proven otherwise and should be in the most pressured spots because of it.
Good point. But I think I would gamble a bit here.
 

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Amen. But the slurpers would tell you otherwise.

We are 3 games in, and while agree that yesterday, the Cubs let valuable plate opportunities slip through their hands, it will change.

Again, it is game #3, and even the Cubs best teams in recent history struggled mightily out of the gate as far as hitting.

I don't want to see it continue naturally, but I am not sure their was a person on the planet that would have envisioned the Cubs, White Sox, Cardinals, Nationals, and Pirates having a combined win total of 5 at this point, while the Braves, Reds, and Rockies all be 12-0 combined.

It is early and things have a way of working themselves out. The good thing is as bad as the Cubs are playing (especially hitting), they are still tied for 2nd place and not trailing the Cardinals and are ahead of Pittsburgh.

If the Cubs can take the last two in Colorado, they can make amends.
 

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Good point. But I think I would gamble a bit here.

Here is the thing though Bear. Maddon is the skipper, and he feels he is putting the best players in the best position to succeed as he sees it. I will leave it up to him as he knows a ton more than I do about winning at the major league level.

He is going to juggle the line-up around constantly until figuring out some semblance of a starting line-up, day in and day out.

The only constants have been 2-3-4. They have had 3 games, 3 different catchers, and most of this team has not played together before as a unit.

We knew their were going to be ups and downs. Get used to it because even whenBryant comes up, that is going to be another monkey in the wrench, so to speak.
 

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LH starter kept La Stella out of the line up and Olt in it.

Olt: 8 AB: .125/.125/.125
La Stella: 6 AB .167/.167/.167

Alcantara: 7 AB: .000/.222/.000

Ya not really good.

Fowler: .077/.077/.154
Soler: .200/.273/.400
Rizzo: .333/.636/.333
Castro: .273/.273/.273
Coghlan: .143/.143/.286
Montero: .000/.000/.000

That has been the story so far.'only Rizzo, Castro and Soler have hit over .200. In reality those 3 are their best players. Fowler I believe will join them. The rest are in debate if they are starting caliber.
 

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It's not about hitting, it's about hitting when it counts. This is the difference between good teams........ Castro hitting cleanup is not going to get it done for the Cubs, imo.
There is no such thing as clutch hitting. They either hit or they don't.
 

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Power isnt the Cubs problem. Its they live or die by the long ball. Its why they are inconsistent. Soler has some of the best discipline on the team which is what is needed in the two spot. Also, Soler is like the 3 hole hitter right now with the pitcher in the 8th spot. Its early. Stop living of dying by every game. Its a 162 game season. You will have more of an idea a month from now.
Waiting a month from now to finally play .500 was the problem last season.
 

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There is no such thing as clutch hitting. They either hit or they don't.

Brad Pitt stated it the best: OBA/OBA/OBA That is the #1 thing. More guys on base more run scoring opportunities. It is simple as that.
 

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We are 3 games in, and while agree that yesterday, the Cubs let valuable plate opportunities slip through their hands, it will change.

Again, it is game #3, and even the Cubs best teams in recent history struggled mightily out of the gate as far as hitting.

I don't want to see it continue naturally, but I am not sure their was a person on the planet that would have envisioned the Cubs, White Sox, Cardinals, Nationals, and Pirates having a combined win total of 5 at this point, while the Braves, Reds, and Rockies all be 12-0 combined.

It is early and things have a way of working themselves out. The good thing is as bad as the Cubs are playing (especially hitting), they are still tied for 2nd place and not trailing the Cardinals and are ahead of Pittsburgh.

If the Cubs can take the last two in Colorado, they can make amends.

We cant chalk it up to "game 3." Its still a serious issue. How many more games need to pass before you get that? The cubs cant advance runners when they need to to put runs on the scoreboard to win games to get us out of the past 3 years. They've had dozens of chances in 3 games and have whiffed, akin to last year, and 2013, and 2012.

Hopefully Bryant is up this week. Watching/listening to a Mike Olt at-bat makes me angry, because he's fucking terrible.

Len and Jim mention it, Pat and Ron, now Jesse Rogers mentions the pathetic display the cubs call "offense" and already say they need to look for different answers. Everybody is seeing the same old song and dance.

The pitching is there. Until the end, Travis Wood looked like 2013 Travis Wood. Used his cutter and put more deceiving touch on his 12-6. He just got rattled in the 5th. The pen is nice, the starters I believe will be just fine, and if the 5th piece needs replacing they can find 5 guys as a servicable resolution.

But Olt, Castillo, Alcantara, and Coghlan shouldn't be allowed to start and go 9 innings. They should have signed a bat in addition to welcoming up Bryant and a few others this year.
 

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We cant chalk it up to "game 3." Its still a serious issue. How many more games need to pass before you get that? The cubs cant advance runners when they need to to put runs on the scoreboard to win games to get us out of the past 3 years. They've had dozens of chances in 3 games and have whiffed, akin to last year, and 2013, and 2012.

Hopefully Bryant is up this week. Watching/listening to a Mike Olt at-bat makes me angry, because he's fucking terrible.

Len and Jim mention it, Pat and Ron, now Jesse Rogers mentions the pathetic display the cubs call "offense" and already say they need to look for different answers. Everybody is seeing the same old song and dance.

The pitching is there. Until the end, Travis Wood looked like 2013 Travis Wood. Used his cutter and put more deceiving touch on his 12-6. He just got rattled in the 5th. The pen is nice, the starters I believe will be just fine, and if the 5th piece needs replacing they can find 5 guys as a servicable resolution.

But Olt, Castillo, Alcantara, and Coghlan shouldn't be allowed to start and go 9 innings. They should have signed a bat in addition to welcoming up Bryant and a few others this year.

No one is stating that their aren't issues. If there weren't issues, the Cubs would be even money to win the WS.

Can we wait a little bit to let this shake out and see who does what and who goes where? Do you really think that Fowler is going to stay at a .077 OBP?

You are pushing the panic button a bit too early.

And the bat you are saying the Cubs should have signed would play where when you have to figure out where Bryant, Russell, Baez, and Schwarber are going to fit into this line-up possibly?

The position that was open was CF and catcher, and Martin went elsewhere so they went to plan B which was Montero who has played 1 game so far. Denard Span never hit the market so go to plan B and trade for Fowler.

Atlanta is winning with shit. Same with Colorado. The Nationals and White Sox can't buy a win. Bryant is hitting .200 in AAA.

There are things that are happening for teams right now, and things that are not.

A 162 game season is very long, and that is why these guys are tied to an average because things average themselves out over the long haul. No one is saying that Mike Olt or Tommy La Stella are the answers because they are not. However, they can be valuable utility players when some others arrive.

Obviously Maddon is putting what he feels is the best line-up out there to succeed, and will continue to make changes as he sees fit.

He won with a lot of question marks in Tampa because he had some pitching. Lets hope the Cubs pitching holds them afloat until things start to average out or help arrives.

I am no means throwing in the towel when the Cubs are a game under .500 and have played bad ball. It wouldn't take much to put them over the .500 mark.

The Cubs have two solid pitchers going in the next two, and then the rotation flips around again with Lester and Arrieta.

Hell, just the sound of that makes me feel more comfortable that they will increase their chances of winning.
 

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Who thinks Rizzo will come close to the HBP record before his career is done. He is so close to the plate that he gets hit all the time. Shit, I remember last year he got hit by two balls but it didnt count cause he swung at both of them. They both hit his in the middle of the thigh.
 

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