IST: Cubs(13-10) at Cards(18-6)

[justaChifan]

Rizzo is smoking and Lester is continuing from his last game.

 

[beckdawg]

I get that and that is why I said it was doubtful. What I'm taking this series as is a measuring stick for the Cubs and where they stand. If Lester can pull a win against them it tells me that both Hendricks and Wood are too risky for a play off series. At the end of the day that is what this boils down to. Who do you trust? In a 7 game the Cubs will have to use 1 of the 2 and you do not want to give a loss like that. At worse you want your %4 being Hammel.

Another thing to think about is if they did trade for Cole it keeps him off the Cards for the next few years. The last thing they need is to deal with Wayno and Cole...swear would be like facing the Dodgers then.

Well in a playoff series Hendricks wouldn't be pitching. You're usually talking a 4 man rotation in 7 game series and a 3 man rotation in 5 game series. Plus, I think if we get to that point by the end of july then sure you talk about adding someone to the rotation if they are contending. You then presumably push Hammel down to your 4 which I mean isn't that bad. Also, I keep bringing this back to the royals but they are a team that did so well last year because they got what they could out of their starter and if it was 5 or 6 innings their bullpen was generally so dominant that if they were tied or had a lead they usually won. I honestly think given the way the cubs have built the 2015 team that is probably how they are trying to approach things and they will worry about the starters later.

As for Hamels, I mean i get why people are obsessing over him but I think people are also underestimating how ridiculous Rubén Amaro is. They arguably should have dealt both Hamels and Lee last season but didn't. Utley is still on that team for reasons beyond me. And everything we've heard about their demands for Hamels are out of this world ridiculous. If you're talking about someone in that light, what reason would he have to move off those demands right now? There's nothing pressing for him to make a deal now that he could almost certainly get in July. In fact, I'd argue if you are trying to get Hamels today they'd want even more than they do at the deadline.

As for the Hamels to the Cards thing, that's the absolutely worst way to make a trade IMO. I can't say how real that is for teams and if it's just a fans/media thing. But if you're making a deal because some other team did I think that is totally losing sight of the goal which should be to make the moves that are best for your team. If the Cards go nuts and trade most of their top prospects for Hamels then good for them. They get a 31 year old guy who you probably hope to be good the next 3 years and they give away most of their top prospects to do it. Not saying it would be a bad move for the Cards because obviously they are a team that can win this year. But the cubs are trying to win over the next 5-7 if not longer. Just because it might be the right move for the Cards doesn't mean the cubs need to block it and that it's the right move for them.

 

[beckdawg]

Another good game by Rizzo..

Said before in another thread....

This offense is going to score 4 + runs at least 90- 100 times this year..
Its going to be up to the pitching to make those runs hold up for most of those games..

Said it week or two ago but I think he's easily top 5 NL MVP this year.

 

[justaChifan]

Well in a playoff series Hendricks wouldn't be pitching. You're usually talking a 4 man rotation in 7 game series and a 3 man rotation in 5 game series. Plus, I think if we get to that point by the end of july then sure you talk about adding someone to the rotation if they are contending. You then presumably push Hammel down to your 4 which I mean isn't that bad. Also, I keep bringing this back to the royals but they are a team that did so well last year because they got what they could out of their starter and if it was 5 or 6 innings their bullpen was generally so dominant that if they were tied or had a lead they usually won. I honestly think given the way the cubs have built the 2015 team that is probably how they are trying to approach things and they will worry about the starters later.

As for Hamels, I mean i get why people are obsessing over him but I think people are also underestimating how ridiculous Rubén Amaro is. They arguably should have dealt both Hamels and Lee last season but didn't. Utley is still on that team for reasons beyond me. And everything we've heard about their demands for Hamels are out of this world ridiculous. If you're talking about someone in that light, what reason would he have to move off those demands right now? There's nothing pressing for him to make a deal now that he could almost certainly get in July. In fact, I'd argue if you are trying to get Hamels today they'd want even more than they do at the deadline.

As for the Hamels to the Cards thing, that's the absolutely worst way to make a trade IMO. I can't say how real that is for teams and if it's just a fans/media thing. But if you're making a deal because some other team did I think that is totally losing sight of the goal which should be to make the moves that are best for your team. If the Cards go nuts and trade most of their top prospects for Hamels then good for them. They get a 31 year old guy who you probably hope to be good the next 3 years and they give away most of their top prospects to do it. Not saying it would be a bad move for the Cards because obviously they are a team that can win this year. But the cubs are trying to win over the next 5-7 if not longer. Just because it might be the right move for the Cards doesn't mean the cubs need to block it and that it's the right move for them.

It's a game thread.
You're too full of yourself.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

Castro copying Bryant and confusing Rizzo gif is needed

before the Cubs blow the lead again and it's not funny any more

 

[SilenceS]

What is with Lesters Chuck Knoblauch complex. I mean it would have been a tough play but he gave no effort after he knocked down the ball.

 

[beckdawg]

It's a game thread.
You're too full of yourself.

It's a message board. Relax.

 

[SilenceS]

Castro doesnt look happy with what Rizzo said. I dont know if they are joking or what but thats for the dugout not the field.

 

[SilenceS]

Come on Lester. Your rookie made an error then you showed no effort on a ball and now you cant compose yourself.

 

[beckdawg]

What is with Lesters Chuck Knoblauch complex. I mean it would have been a tough play but he gave no effort after he knocked down the ball.

I'd be curious to see some research on people with issues like this because it doesn't make much sense. Like Anikel losing total command I can sorta get. But Lester being able to throw from the mound to home fairly fine but not to the other bases which are roughly equivalent makes not sense to me.

 

[CSF77]

Well in a playoff series Hendricks wouldn't be pitching. You're usually talking a 4 man rotation in 7 game series and a 3 man rotation in 5 game series. Plus, I think if we get to that point by the end of july then sure you talk about adding someone to the rotation if they are contending. You then presumably push Hammel down to your 4 which I mean isn't that bad. Also, I keep bringing this back to the royals but they are a team that did so well last year because they got what they could out of their starter and if it was 5 or 6 innings their bullpen was generally so dominant that if they were tied or had a lead they usually won. I honestly think given the way the cubs have built the 2015 team that is probably how they are trying to approach things and they will worry about the starters later.

As for Hamels, I mean i get why people are obsessing over him but I think people are also underestimating how ridiculous Rubén Amaro is. They arguably should have dealt both Hamels and Lee last season but didn't. Utley is still on that team for reasons beyond me. And everything we've heard about their demands for Hamels are out of this world ridiculous. If you're talking about someone in that light, what reason would he have to move off those demands right now? There's nothing pressing for him to make a deal now that he could almost certainly get in July. In fact, I'd argue if you are trying to get Hamels today they'd want even more than they do at the deadline.

As for the Hamels to the Cards thing, that's the absolutely worst way to make a trade IMO. I can't say how real that is for teams and if it's just a fans/media thing. But if you're making a deal because some other team did I think that is totally losing sight of the goal which should be to make the moves that are best for your team. If the Cards go nuts and trade most of their top prospects for Hamels then good for them. They get a 31 year old guy who you probably hope to be good the next 3 years and they give away most of their top prospects to do it. Not saying it would be a bad move for the Cards because obviously they are a team that can win this year. But the cubs are trying to win over the next 5-7 if not longer. Just because it might be the right move for the Cards doesn't mean the cubs need to block it and that it's the right move for them.

The Phills need 2 MI and a 1B going forward. Centering a deal around Baez (Impact now) Vogelbach (replacement for Howard) Gleyber Torres (2nd MI and ready probably in the Phills system vs the Cubs system where they are milked more) Toss in a arm and the Phills eat some of the deal and yes it could be done.

Also pointing out Cole's age makes as much sense as pointing out why they should not have signed Lester. The fact they did pushed up the Cubs time line and the need to put together a winning product. It is not like these guys are going to be ineffective the following year at all. If anything it gives more time for the Cubs to start developing some pitching prospects.

Good game so far. Happy.

 

[chibears55]

Castro doesnt look happy with what Rizzo said. I dont know if they are joking or what but thats for the dugout not the field.

What did rizzo say.. i didn't notice anything but a confused look at first and then looking behind him and smiling. .guessing to ump

 

[SilenceS]

I'd be curious to see some research on people with issues like this because it doesn't make much sense. Like Anikel losing total command I can sorta get. But Lester being able to throw from the mound to home fairly fine but not to the other bases which are roughly equivalent makes not sense to me.

Its mental blocks. Its nothing physical. I equate it to free throws in basketball. Shaq has been documented shooting over 80% at the free throw line in practices. He go into a game and would hit 50%. He said it was something mental he could never get over. Its like their subconscious fucks their world up. I mean Knoblauch was a good defender then couldnt throw to first base anymore. The human mind is fucked.

 

[SilenceS]

What did rizzo say.. i didn't notice anything but a confused look at first and then looking behind him and smiling. .guessing to ump

Words were said cause Castro was talking back not happy and kept shaking his head after.

 

[CSF77]

I really hate seeing Coghlan in the starting line up.

 

[TL1961]

Said it week or two ago but I think he's easily top 5 NL MVP this year.

The MVP has already been decided. It is Matt Carpenter. The fans in Busch say so - that's right, they chanted "MVP! MVP!" on MAY FIFTH.

(Sadly, they honestly believe he was MBP caliber last year when he hit .278 w 8 HR and 58 RBI)

 

[chibears55]

This series is aggravating. .. scoring a bunch of runs and cant hold the lead..

Im actually looking forward to the next time these 2 meet up in June and July to see how far the cubs have come as a team

 

[justaChifan]

It's a message board. Relax.

I know, but talk used to be limited to the actual game going on.
sorry

 

[CSF77]

The MVP has already been decided. It is Matt Carpenter. The fans in Busch say so - that's right, they chanted "MVP! MVP!" on MAY FIFTH.

(Sadly, they honestly believe he was MBP caliber last year when he hit .278 w 8 HR and 58 RBI)

MVP should be on a play off bound team. I hate seeing a celar dweller having a MVP winner. It's like ya and what did you do to win games? All you did was pad your own numbers.

 

[chibears55]

I really hate seeing Coghlan in the starting line up.

I suggested all off season that they needed to get a LFer but most of you liked Cogs cause of his OBP potential. ..

Cogs a good 4th OFer, that it