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Honest question. Where does the value per War come from? I mean Trout rakes in like 8-10 WAR each year but he's not worth up to $70 million per.

It's just how much teams typically end up paying for FA's. The top end players are probably suppressed some and the middle is inflated some. The problem is who can afford to pay someone more than $30 mil a season even if someone is "worth" it? On the other hand the middle class players rake it in because they tend to be the best that's left.
 

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The whole point is he performed better than expected the first half and the 2nd half he fell down to what they paid for.

If you want a level of production you have to pony up for it. They opted to take the discount.

Not Hammel's fault. He is not this guy that you as a fan expected

So yes in a round about way what I posted was dead on. They did not pay for that level of production. That costs in the 15 mil range.

Hammel is exactly what I expected as I mentioned in my OP on this topic. . I didn't want the cubs to bring him back..

I do not care how much they pay a starter, I and im sure management does too.. expect all starters to be consistent and keep their team in games all year..

Im not and I doubt management is.. should be ok with any starter because of what their paid or where they pitch in rotation if they suck ass with half their starts or more...

That kinda dumb to have the mentality of.. well he only got paid 7 mil for the year so it ok if he only pitched good for 15 starts and sucked for 17 cause he wasnt paid much..

You wanna rate that players that way that fine..
Me .. I rate them by their performance and performance only..

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In ref with Hammel, players go through funks. It happens. If anything his first half should encourage you that there is more there. This isn't a 5 ERA guy who can't pitch better. As for him not being good enough or whatever, pretty sure I recall chibears55 suggesting the offseason would be a failure if they didn't sign Lester and someone else of that sort of caliber as a pitcher. So, it doesn't really surprise me he's down on Hammel as the #3. Either way, whether he realizes it or not I still go back to my point he shouldn't be mad at Hammel. Hammel comparative to other #4/5 starters has been better than expected and realistically that's how you should view him. The cubs just flat out don't have a #3 at the moment. It's honestly not that hard to figure out what happened. Hammel is giving up more HRs and walking more batters in the 2nd half. That's a way to get ERs.

To illustrate my point here... the pirates are a good team. Think everyone can agree on that. Their #4 and #5 starters are Charlie Morton with a 4.02 ERA and Jeff Locke with a 4.43 ERA. So to sit here and blast Hammel with a 3.73 ERA on the season is pretty silly to me. Also for what it's worth, James Shields who they tried to sign presumably as that #3 type has a 3.80 ERA. Ultimately you can't get every thing you want in one offseason that's why building a team takes time to get the right players. And I still stand by the fact that if Hammel doesn't have a 2.86 first half ERA the cubs might not even be the #2 wild card. And as for that 2nd half ERA it's 53 IP in 11 starts 4 of which came vs @STL, @PIT, @LAD, and SFG. Not exactly "easy" opponents. Also, if I'm not mistaken he's not been pitching 100%. IIRC, they were able to keep him off the DL by limiting his innings some but clearly that can't have helped his numbers pitching some what hurt.
 

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Yeah, I just can't argue anymore. Baseball is fairly simple to understand. Good players are good but have growing pains as they get there and also have slumps, bad players are bad but occasionally good and mediocre players, especially those with long histories are what their numbers tell you that they are. Thinking beyond that is wasted effort despite the fact that I understand that we all feel frustrated about how players play from time to time.
 

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And Russell sits tonight with Baez at SS and Castro at 2B...

See how easy that was..lol


CHC at PIT: Fowler CF, Schwarber LF, Coghlan RF, Rizzo 1B, Bryant 3B, Montero C, Castro 2B, Baez SS, Arrieta P

2 games in row maddon has pitcher hitting 9th..
Wonder what change for him.

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I knew it was coming. Has nothing to do with me liking or disliking Russell. This is a playoff race. Right now is not the time for him to work through issues. Maddon objective is to put that best team on the field.
 

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I knew it was coming. Has nothing to do with me liking or disliking Russell. This is a playoff race. Right now is not the time for him to work through issues. Maddon objective is to put that best team on the field.
I agree

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Castro scares me with his lack of concentration and bobbles on routinely hit balls. Russell not so much. Think the that Madden has moved Arrieta into the none hole to lessen the chance that he may have to PH for him early on.
 

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Castro scares me with his lack of concentration and bobbles on routinely hit balls. Russell not so much. Think the that Madden has moved Arrieta into the none hole to lessen the chance that he may have to PH for him early on.

Javy stands to be better in before the pitcher than following him. He has a chance to drive in runs.

Even though he has been better at the plate (which is good), he is not your typical " potential lead-off" an inning hitter.
 

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Arrieta is all but automatic at this point.

Jake Arrieta is 13-1 with a 1.00 ERA since June 21, and can help his Cy Young candidacy as he goes for his 20th win in PNC Park against the Pirates in a potential NL Wild Card game preview.
 

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Wasted that double. Got to make contact. This team is frustrating with that, but I knew going in we were going to strike out a ton.
 

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Man they are getting some healthy swings off of Burnett.

Even Arrieta made good contact to CF.
 

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Need to cash in here. Hard hit ball but should have been caught.
 

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Fowler could have scored if he goes right away.
 

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FYI -

Arrieta is 12-1 with a 1.72 ERA on the road this year.

Only 7-5 with a 2.33 ERA at home.
 

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**** tv black outs. Why am i punished cuz people in fucking pitt don't show up to the game? Looks like time to proxy my way around this stupidness.
 

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**** tv black outs. Why am i punished cuz people in fucking pitt don't show up to the game? Looks like time to proxy my way around this stupidness.

Where are you?
No MLB?
 

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Lots of outs - and many of them K's - with RISP.

Need to get a big hit or two.
 

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