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I will take the "glass is 3/4 full" approach.

The bullpen had thrown 14+ innings of shutout ball. That bodes well - even if it was against a poor offensive team.

No need to get too positive or negative. Schwarber made zero errors!
Could be the Dodgers..
Lost twice 1-0, both on solo shots from Panik..
1 off of Kershaw yesterday and off of Jensen tonight...

I think it still a high chance both these teams make it to the playoffs this year

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Tonight was the type of game I worried about when I saw Happ, Schwarber and Baez were all likely to get starting playing time this year. All 3 currently have too much swing and miss in their game. They combined for 8 k's in 15 ABs with no hits and no walks. You can get away with one guy having a game like they did. You can probably get away with 2. But if all 3 end up seeing big playing time I'm worried the team will be feast or famine.

On paper those 3 are probably better than Almora as a hitter. But on paper Almora is a .290-.300 hitter who doesn't strike out. I'd just prefer to see 2 of the 3 in any given game with Almora playing more. When all 3 are hitting hot then sure you're likely losing value hitting almora but he was also only 1 of 4 guys who had hits tonight(Zobrist, bryant contreras). Or hell, if you don't want to play Almora more I'd even rather see Zobrist more. Just want to see someone who will go up there and take consistently good at bats to get you through some of the bad ones you'll see from those 3.
 

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I'm never going to read too much into 1 game but the 2 things that worry me most about this team (feast or famine offense and closer) were fucking totally garbage tonight. Very fucking frustrating. The Marlins are basically a glorified minor league team so the cubs better get this shit together the next 2 games.
 

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Tonight was the type of game I worried about when I saw Happ, Schwarber and Baez were all likely to get starting playing time this year. All 3 currently have too much swing and miss in their game. They combined for 8 k's in 15 ABs with no hits and no walks. You can get away with one guy having a game like they did. You can probably get away with 2. But if all 3 end up seeing big playing time I'm worried the team will be feast or famine.

On paper those 3 are probably better than Almora as a hitter. But on paper Almora is a .290-.300 hitter who doesn't strike out. I'd just prefer to see 2 of the 3 in any given game with Almora playing more. When all 3 are hitting hot then sure you're likely losing value hitting almora but he was also only 1 of 4 guys who had hits tonight(Zobrist, bryant contreras). Or hell, if you don't want to play Almora more I'd even rather see Zobrist more. Just want to see someone who will go up there and take consistently good at bats to get you through some of the bad ones you'll see from those 3.
Why i was saying last year that i wouldnt mind if they dealt away and brought in guys who were more contact hitters that can spray the ball around..
Too many dead pull hitters trying to jack one every AB..

Sure they have high scoring games and all, but they also have a ton of games like tonight to even it out..





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Why i was saying last year that i wouldnt mind if they dealt away and brought in guys who were more contact hitters that can spray the ball around..
Too many dead pull hitters trying to jack one every AB..

Sure they have high scoring games and all, but they also have a ton of games like tonight to even it out..





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I honestly don't care about whether or not they are pull or spray hitters. I care about people who put the ball into play. Walking is great and is never a "bad" thing but when you're also balancing it with a high strike out rate it really makes a hitter streaky.
 

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It's a long fucking season. Let's be happy the pitching staff and d gave up only two runs in 17 innings and move on. If anyone is cranky after this game it had better be because they stayed up all night watching it.

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I honestly don't care about whether or not they are pull or spray hitters. I care about people who put the ball into play. Walking is great and is never a "bad" thing but when you're also balancing it with a high strike out rate it really makes a hitter streaky.

Heyward puts the ball into play plenty. Just as any 2B man in the league.
 

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Marlins are looking for a starter for tonight game, they used Rivera who was supposed to start tonight but instead shut the cubs down for 6 innings in relief last night...

I know it a different day and different outcome could happen but damn the thought of the possibility of them struggling to put runs on board 2 nights in row against their SP...

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I honestly don't care about whether or not they are pull or spray hitters. I care about people who put the ball into play. Walking is great and is never a "bad" thing but when you're also balancing it with a high strike out rate it really makes a hitter streaky.
Most of cubs hitters probably pull the ball close to half the time..Without looking im going to guess a few of those guys have a low contact rate and or high K rate..

Plus

Im all in with putting ball in play that anything can happen..
Just dont care for guys trying to hook balls outside of hitting zone and end up missing it which they did alot of yesterday..
popping it up or hitting weak grounders,which a few of them do often..
So the contact rate percentage stays up but it bad contact..

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Most of cubs hitters probably pull the ball close to half the time

I mean not really. Last year the only cubs that pulled more than 45% were Heyward and Zobrist and Zobrist being the highest was still only 49.9% pull. If you want to argue they favor pull I think that's a fair statement as only Almora, Baez and Jay were sub 40% pull rate. But to be frank I think you're going to find most players around that. League average last year was 39.8% pull rate. The cubs were at 41.9%. So, they certainly are on the higher side of the average but it's not ridiculous.

And I'm not a hitting coach but I don't think that particularly even matters with regard to strike outs. Carlos Santana had a 14.1% k rate last year and a 51.1% pull rate. You can be a pull hitter and not strike out at a 25%+ clip.
 

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looked like both teams picked the wrong #1 starter huh?

Not what we needed game 2 with an already short bullpen.
 

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I honestly don't care about whether or not they are pull or spray hitters. I care about people who put the ball into play. Walking is great and is never a "bad" thing but when you're also balancing it with a high strike out rate it really makes a hitter streaky.

so far I have not seen much opposite field stuff from the hitters that need to get away from these shifts.

Baez swinging out of his shoes still.

I thought Chili Davis was supposed to be fixing this?
 

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And I'd still rather see that than a strikeout. The 2B could commit an error.

Only matters if you have some speed at 3B and you need to put the ball on the ground.

A out is a out in general. But if you have a runner on first grounding to 2B means 2 vs a strike out meaning 1.

So it is really hard to generalize SO vs GO
 

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Only matters if you have some speed at 3B and you need to put the ball on the ground.

A out is a out in general. But if you have a runner on first grounding to 2B means 2 vs a strike out meaning 1.

So it is really hard to generalize SO vs GO

Grounding into a double play is very rare. To use your prototypical example of Heyward, he grounded into 8 double plays last year and 12 in 2016 in 481 and 592 PAs respectively. Literally the only time a strike out is "good" is on wild pitch where the runner reaches despite striking out. And that's even more rare than grounding into a double play. Grounding out to second can advance a runner at second to third. As previously mentioned an error can happen. It can be well placed enough to get through to the outfield. A lot of positive outcomes can happen. Strikeouts don't offer that many positive outcomes.
 

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https://twitter.com/CarrieMuskat/status/980110531016253441?s=19

An example of why i wasnt ok with Morrow being the closer...

He not durable and will be handled with care, so he wont be doing many back to back games or going more then 3 outs...


Also, not sure who Maddon would of used to pinch hit, no one left and he would of also burnt out Strop if he had to bring him in..

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