IST: Cubs @ Pirates (V. Where is Silence)

[anotheridiot]

Well Rosario pitched pretty damn good for us last year, until those numbers got crunched, there were no more players with options and he got sent down. He never really recovered from that. I mean, he is already being replaced and has not thrown much at all this year, the shot he got he gave up 5 earned in 7 innings. Three of them one game against milwaukee.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Looks like 2B is a potential spot. Jed said that they have been using Ryan too much and Montgomery is not suited as a left on left. He is better in multiple innings.

He did say that adding O was a area of need. But the whole 2B Mitt etc was the writers opinions.

So that is where it stands going into the deadline.

I don't really know much about KC's situation honestly. If they have a LOOGY to toss with Mitt. It would be a ideal scenerio. The writer popped off Hand also. Aim high and talk about two of the top trade targets in the same conversation.

I hate to be the grammar police but I just have to correct you. Not Mitt, Witt. Also not Descanasio, Descalso.

 

[SilenceS]

Looks like 2B is a potential spot. Jed said that they have been using Ryan too much and Montgomery is not suited as a left on left. He is better in multiple innings.

He did say that adding O was a area of need. But the whole 2B Mitt etc was the writers opinions.

So that is where it stands going into the deadline.

I don't really know much about KC's situation honestly. If they have a LOOGY to toss with Mitt. It would be a ideal scenerio. The writer popped off Hand also. Aim high and talk about two of the top trade targets in the same conversation.

I really want Villar. He is under control for next season. He has found some pop and is a switch hitter. He is a terrific baserunner that plays multiple position and can swipe bags. I have been looking at him for some time. I think he would fit in perfect for a lower cost.

 

[CSF77]

I hate to be the grammar police but I just have to correct you. Not Mitt, Witt. Also not Descanasio, Descalso.

Fair enough. Im currently running the mail and I tend to get sloppy while on break under a tree.

 

[SilenceS]

 

[SilenceS]

Incredible play by Baez. That throw was great

 

[CSF77]

Demoted Wick and Alzolay for Hondo and Roserio. Well Roserio had a 2.25 ERA 1.34 WHIP at Iowa.

 

[choyne35]

Demoted Wick and Alzolay for Hondo and Roserio. Well Roserio had a 2.25 ERA 1.34 WHIP at Iowa.

Come on cubs... yet another game where they are down early, only one hit through the first 3 innings

 

[choyne35]

I really want Villar. He is under control for next season. He has found some pop and is a switch hitter. He is a terrific baserunner that plays multiple position and can swipe bags. I have been looking at him for some time. I think he would fit in perfect for a lower cost.

Let’s quit settling for mediocre players and go after difference makers, our rival brewers did that with Yelich and it’s paying off nicely for them. Whit Merrifield can do the same thing you just mentioned and is under control for 3 more and I believe is younger and just better overall

 

[CSF77]

Let’s quit settling for mediocre players and go after difference makers, our rival brewers did that with Yelich and it’s paying off nicely for them. Whit Merrifield can do the same thing you just mentioned and is under control for 3 more and I believe is younger and just better overall

Hate to agree but I do. 98 wRC+. High water was with the crew at 120. And that place is a hitters wet dream.

My take is the value of Russell to Villar is about equal. Russell might be GG quality 2B with 15 HR power. Villar has more speed but that is going to degrade soon.

It feels push.

 

[TL1961]

Fair enough. Im currently running the mail and I tend to get sloppy while on break under a tree.

Descanasio has appeared here a hundred times before today.

 

[TL1961]

Come on cubs... yet another game where they are down early, only one hit through the first 3 innings

Which should allow us to predict a 3-11 August home stand, no? ?

 

[choyne35]

Descanasio has appeared here a hundred times before today.

Can’t see the game tonight but I heard over on the pro sports daily board that Musgrove is dealing again tonight and that the first inning run they scored was probably the game winner, I’m not the only negative one, correction accurate one that sees it doesn’t take much to beat the cubs right now and especially being on the road

 

[choyne35]

Which should allow us to predict a 3-11 August home stand, no? ?

3-6 road trip is what I said and can you actually honestly argue that?? This current road trip will be off to a tremendous 1-4 start in about 90 minutes

 

[SilenceS]

3-6 road trip is what I said and can you actually honestly argue that?? This current road trip will be off to a tremendous 1-4 start in about 90 minutes

They are in a rain delay ya idiot

 

[SilenceS]

Hate to agree but I do. 98 wRC+. High water was with the crew at 120. And that place is a hitters wet dream.

My take is the value of Russell to Villar is about equal. Russell might be GG quality 2B with 15 HR power. Villar has more speed but that is going to degrade soon.

It feels push.

It’s not a push. Villar is clearly the better player. Whit is a pipe dream. We don’t have the assets to outbid other teams. We can get villar for cheaper. His speed will diminish? Absolutely, not this year or next that he is under control when he 28 and swiped 16 bags so far. He plays in an atrocious lineup.

 

[choyne35]

They are in a rain delay ya idiot

And dumb **** I already mentioned that I can’t see the game tonight so
I’m checking the scores about every hour or so and didn’t know they were in a rain delay. I live in Tennessee and don’t have the luxury of seeing 162 cub games like I’m sure most on this board get to see

 

[SilenceS]

And dumb **** I already mentioned that I can’t see the game tonight so
I’m checking the scores about every hour or so and didn’t know they were in a rain delay. I live in Tennessee and don’t have the luxury of seeing 162 cub games like I’m sure most on this board get to see

They were already in a rain delay when ya made your comment for a good 5 to 10 minutes. You can shit post but you can’t see a rain delay. Tremendous

 

[choyne35]

They were already in a rain delay when ya made your comment for a good 5 to 10 minutes. You can shit post but you can’t see a rain delay. Tremendous

When I checked the score it was 2-0 pirates bottom 3rd, 2 outs and 2 on. I went to post right after and didn’t check back. The rain delay started at the top of the 4th correct? That’s how I had no clue it was in a rain delay but still doesn’t change the fact that they will be 1-4 after tonight’s game on this road trip and brewers are up 4-2 in the 7th so I’m gonna say 2 back in the division as well

 

[CSF77]

It’s not a push. Villar is clearly the better player. Whit is a pipe dream. We don’t have the assets to outbid other teams. We can get villar for cheaper. His speed will diminish? Absolutely, not this year or next that he is under control when he 28 and swiped 16 bags so far. He plays in an atrocious lineup.

So did Manny. He didn't make a excuse for it.

Here are the 3 guys we are talking about:

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=11281&position=2B

121 wRC+ and a 2 DRS & 5.9 UZR/150 at 2B. CF 0 DRS. Not really a fan of his UZR/150 in the OF. But in 2018 it was at 22.3 in 241.2 innings. So he has done it.

Would he be worth trading for? Yes. How much? It really depends on what the Royals want. I would want to push Russell with 2 prospects. ODLC or Tyson Miller and a choice of Steele (injured much this year), Thompson (Ditto), Lange (lost some velocity from his college days), Hatch. I would avoid Azolay, Marquez and Abbott. All 3 have solid chances of making the roster when ready.

Amaya with Russell and prospects I would want Whit and Jake Diekman. Just because he is a lefty and a 13.50 SO/9. I can work with that.

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8203&position=2B

I would trade strait Dee for Russell. 78 wRC+ vs a 84. Not far off from each other but the Cubs are adding a set of legs and a LH bat that plays 2B SS and CF. Now I wouldn't go to bed on the idea of Dee in CF. 2018 -14.6 UZR/150 is meh. 2018 SS was a 5.6 so serviceable. 2B is a clear downgrade in D to Russell.

So going here I would want to offload something with Russell because D is not that great and his contract pays him 10 Mil AAV til 2020 with a 21 vesting. They are losing D at 2B and gaining in payroll for basically speed. So going here I would want to off load Chatwood also. Dee and Zac Rosscup (true LOOGY) would be fair for Russell and Chatwood. You might even get a prospect swap out of it.

Villar is at a 98 wRC+. .326 OBA. his career mark is at .326 OBA. I think the same applies with the Seattle scenerio. add Chatwood for a lefty. Richard Bleier would be a good target there. But the issue is in payroll. O's most likely would not want to take on all of Chatwood's deal and they would have to send over cash.


That is my take at least. I really think that they are ok as is up the middle. Joe just needs to keep Russell at 2B and let Bote move Bryant to the OF as needed. Daniel Descalso needs to be used as the 1st PH every day. 51 wRC+ is not even MLB quality production. But that way they are recouping some loss.


But if they do make a change I would want to off load Chatwood out of it. or Just go big and get Whit.