IST: Cubs vs. Pirates

[Chief Walking Stick]

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

MAN I WISH WE WOULD HAVE SAVED SOME OF THOSE RUNS FROM YESTERDAY FOR TODAY

LOLOOLOOOOLOOOO CUBS FANS SO DUMMMMB

 

[TL1961]

This argument was over the value of Tony being the Cubs lead off.

TL says no.

I say yes he is.

The numbers state he is the answer to the lead off

Get with the program ok.

“The numbers” indicate Victor Caratini has a better ERA than Scherzer.

You need to know how to understand the numbers.

 

[TL1961]

Are your really this stupid. I mean really?

Tony has a .390 OBA. How many lead offs in baseball have this?

I could argue that Tony Gwinn could have been the greatest lead off of all time but the mentality back then was lead off= stolen base.

Times change. Keep up or get lost behind

There’s one thing I can promise you reading your posts in this thread and on this topic: seeing you calling me stupid, I promise you that will never ever ever bother me.

this would be comical if it weren’t sad.

Tell you what. Let’s poll every GM in MLB and see how many agree with you on making Rizzo a leadoff man, and see how many agree with me.

Let’s bet $1,000.
If five or more agree with you, you win.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

You mean.

Trade from depth.

Happ covers all 3 OF spots and can cover 2B and 3B. Has upside.

Russell GG quality glove. Has issues going on but seems to be past his O funk up until he got hit in the head

Almora holds value as a 4th OF. This one I am reaching on but there are teams that will value this with his abity to cover ground.

Chatwood is a MLB quality pitcher. And to be fair here in his opertunities he has been a quality start this year.

Let's face it he got off to a shit start here and he earned the disrespect. But that doesn't take away from his talent.

Teams will trade for this. They have and they will again and again. It is about finding the right match up.

I think you are reaching on Happ and Russell more than Almora. Happ does play all those positions, he just plays them poorly. He shows more potential to be a bust than to be anything worthwhile. Russell’s domestic violence issue is a big issue especially for someone that hasn’t played well. It’s ruined careers that’d been far better than his. Chatwood probably has more value to us than in a trade.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

This argument was over the value of Tony being the Cubs lead off.

TL says no.

I say yes he is.

The numbers state he is the answer to the lead off

Get with the program ok.

Speigel and Levine were talking about Rizzo's lead off numbers this morning on 670 Hit and Run and his numbers rank him very high as a lead off batter.

 

[SilentLurker]

 

[SilenceS]

Speigel and Levine were talking about Rizzo's lead off numbers this morning on 670 Hit and Run and his numbers rank him very high as a lead off batter.

He has the highest obp and ops among active players with a minimum of 50 at bats at leadoff

 

[CSF77]

Speigel and Levine were talking about Rizzo's lead off numbers this morning on 670 Hit and Run and his numbers rank him very high as a lead off batter.

I don't need to listen to local to understand this.

I look at Rizzo as a hitter as a guy who fits the mold of a great lead off. He gets on base by any means including taking a pitch off of his body.

If we were in the era of speed and slap hitting then fine I get it. But that died off with Astro turf. It is not even a viable tactic any more.

So OBA is king. A lead off will come up 5 per game on avg. You want your hardest out there.

It is fucking common sense.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

I don't need to listen to local to understand this.

I look at Rizzo as a hitter as a guy who fits the mold of a great lead off. He gets on base by any means including taking a pitch off of his body.

If we were in the era of speed and slap hitting then fine I get it. But that died off with Astro turf. It is not even a viable tactic any more.

So OBA is king. A lead off will come up 5 per game on avg. You want your hardest out there.

It is fucking common sense.

They did touch on the type of lead off hitter Ricky Henderson was. Good luck finding that player.

 

[MDB111™]

31 runs in 2 days. I could get used to this.

 

[CSF77]

“The numbers” indicate Victor Caratini has a better ERA than Scherzer.

You need to know how to understand the numbers.

Ok Strawman. When you come up with better material call a agent.

 

[CSF77]

If he could throw as hard as Wick then you might have a point. Wick was a converted catcher and can hit 96.


So your point is stupid.

To have a point you have to come up with something of equal value but doesn't make sense. Like Heyward has thrown 90+ on his throws. So make him a pitcher. Then it would be ok that is funny. I get it he throws hard so ya I get the joke.

But no you went to a guy soft tossing and had dumb luck in joke time and correlated that to Rizzo leading off.

To be honest you are not disrespecting me at all. You are disrespecting Tony's success. Congrats on being a ass hat.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

31 runs in 2 days. I could get used to this.

Cubs offense > Bears offense

 

[Castor76]

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[greg23]

Some of you are clueless

On this roster; rizzo or zobrist are the best options to lead off....and Rizzo is better; by far.

Those who are against it are living on baseball played in the 70's and 80's...if you want him to have more rbi opp then put the pitcher 8th and a player 9th

The irony is....in the last 3 game in the lead off spot the cubs are 3-0 and Rizzo has 4 runs and 6 rbi

More than normal from the cleanup spot

 

[TL1961]

Some of you are clueless

On this roster; rizzo or zobrist are the best options to lead off....and Rizzo is better; by far.

Those who are against it are living on baseball played in the 70's and 80's...if you want him to have more rbi opp then put the pitcher 8th and a player 9th

The irony is....in the last 3 game in the lead off spot the cubs are 3-0 and Rizzo has 4 runs and 6 rbi

More than normal from the cleanup spot

I like that Rizzo gets on base.

But it will be hard to consistently get three more hits necessary to get him home.

And shouldn't we deduct the times thrown out on base from the OBP to get a true sense of how often he is still on base and able to potentially score?

 

[SilenceS]

I like that Rizzo gets on base.

But it will be hard to consistently get three more hits necessary to get him home.

And shouldn't we deduct the times thrown out on base from the OBP to get a true sense of how often he is still on base and able to potentially score?

Well, see this is where I differ. Cubs arent going to string a ton of hits. They hit homers. We ***** about it, but this is their MO. Solo shots dont win games. Multiple runs on homers win games. Look at all the playoff teams. You arent going to see many slap batters at leadoff. Its a dying trend or dead trend.

Is it ideal for Rizzo to lead off? No, but it isnt because we need his bat in the middle of the lineup. But, if he can continue to get on base. That puts pressure on the pitcher in the stretch. Lets be real. Fowler is no speed demon and his greatest assets was putting the pitcher in the stretch and putting pressure on the team.

The Cubs have what? 7 players with 20 plus homeruns. Cubs dont need power. They needs base runners.

 

[Diehardfan]

Well, see this is where I differ. Cubs arent going to string a ton of hits. They hit homers. We ***** about it, but this is their MO. Solo shots dont win games. Multiple runs on homers win games. Look at all the playoff teams. You arent going to see many slap batters at leadoff. Its a dying trend or dead trend.

Is it ideal for Rizzo to lead off? No, but it isnt because we need his bat in the middle of the lineup. But, if he can continue to get on base. That puts pressure on the pitcher in the stretch. Lets be real. Fowler is no speed demon and his greatest assets was putting the pitcher in the stretch and putting pressure on the team.

The Cubs have what? 7 players with 20 plus homeruns. Cubs dont need power. They needs base runners.

Not just the Cubs....it's all of baseball. It's killing a lot of strategy that used to be used.....SB, hit n run, bunting....it's the almighty Home Run in today's game. But IMOP, this will not last....just a phase the game is going through instigated by MLB itself with it's juiced baseballs and small parks.

 

[greg23]

I like that Rizzo gets on base.

But it will be hard to consistently get three more hits necessary to get him home.

And shouldn't we deduct the times thrown out on base from the OBP to get a true sense of how often he is still on base and able to potentially score?

Come on
Do you really think rizzo needs three hits to score from 1st base?
He's got the ml leading doubles hitter behind him and a bunch of guys who hit hrs

Tony Kemp is fast; should he lead off?
Almora is fast; should he lead off?
Heyward is fast; should he lead off?

Baseball has been slow to figure out lineup construction (100+ years) and esp today....just put your highest ob% guy #1 and next two best hitters 2 and 3 and go from there....ideally you'd like to alternate r-l but I'd rather have my better hitters getting more ab''s