It Should Have Been Boynton

[supraman]

Dont let STU know you turtled

I was already on all fours after falling and when you got about 250 lbs of dude on top of you and you are vunerable **** it you turtle, no reason to get blasted for no reason, if I could have fought back I would have but I wasn't getting up with him on top of me.

 

[PatrickShart]

Now...250lbs of dude on you....sounds like a regular saturday night in the life of TCD

 

[Pez68]

I played in New Orleans in the ECHL...you?



And I'm not going to sit and act high and mighty - I never stated that I played so I know more than anyone - simply the thoughts of players on the bench when a fight happens, they dont "get sad" or down if someone is in a meaningless fight when winning a game. At any time, its a rush for both teams.



And I'm not going to argue with you either. You don't like Boynton regardless of what he does.

I didn't play any pro. Just curious where you played, since you said been there, done that. I play with a few guys that played a bit of pro hockey as well, and they both agreed that they wouldn't have dropped the gloves in that situation. There's just no point. Still can't understand why Boynton did it to be honest. When you're winning a game by that much, 99% of the time you just don't drop them. Most hockey people would tell you the same. I'd love to see someone ask Q about that.

 

[PatrickShart]

K..then I guess I'm not most hockey people. And Toews commented on it.

 

[Pez68]

Toews is the captain. He's not going to voice any negative opinions in the public. Just saying.

 

[PatrickShart]

K...he completely demoralized the team, cost them 4 goals, and gave STL all the momentum, and damn near cost them the game....I'm now on board with most hockey people now.

 

[Pez68]

K...he completely demoralized the team, cost them 4 goals, and gave STL all the momentum, and damn near cost them the game....I'm now on board with most hockey people now.

Who has said that?

Holy **** you have a way of blowing everything out of proportion.



All I'm saying is, you shouldn't fight just to fight in a game you are winning 5-1. Why give St. Louis anything to get fired up about? Are you saying the fight didn't fire St. Louis up at all and give them a spark?

 

[PatrickShart]

Oh...and by the way...after the Calgary game, when I said that Kopecky should be back with Sharp - Hossa on the second line....I think your respnse was...



Kopecky in the top six? Have you not watched him play the last 10 games? He's fucking brutal. He's been on the ice for 20 even strength goals against and can't hit the broad side of a barn with his shot. I think he and Brouwer should be shopped around so we can bring up players that are willing to do what the team needs them to do(Makarov, Beach, Morin).



And....the next game...he was on that line in VAN with Sharp and Hossa....since then the Hawks are 4-1. And in those 5 games..

Kopecky - 5gms - 1g - 5a - 6pts - +6

Sharp - 5gms - 5g - 3a - 8pts - +7

Hossa - 4gms - 0g - 4a - 4pts - +4

Morin - 1gms - 0g - 1a - 1pt - +2



But yeah....I don't watch him play either. Fucking brutal.

 

[phranchk]

Q was asked today about the Boynton fight. He said it was the wrong time for the fight.

 

[E Runs]

What does Q know, it's not like he's coached 1,000 NHL games or anything.



Nevermind, I'm more surprised he was even asked the question.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

What does Q know, it's not like he's coached 1,000 NHL games or anything.



Nevermind, I'm more surprised he was even asked the question.

Prolly Kuc has been reading this thread and wanted to get Q's input on it.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Q was asked today about the Boynton fight. He said it was the wrong time for the fight.

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!



Well I guess we're all still wrong probably.

 

[JOVE23]

OMFG PMX STOP HOLDING YOUR "I'M A PRO" CARD OVER MY POOR UNABLE TO SKATE HEAD HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGG

 

[PatrickShart]

And how did the fight effect the outcome of the game? It didnt.



But.....if Q thinks that it kept the Hawks from getting the puck out of the zone, in deep, Scott from covering the point and cost them losing faceoffs....then I guess it did. I'm sure Jesse Rogers asked if he thought it was a good idea....and his answer was proabaly not. I'd still like someone to point out one goal that was a result of that fight.



Dump Boynton and find someone else able to play 15min a game for 500K....I'm on board. He sucks. Kopecky, Pisani, Cullimore....all suck too. I'll join the charge.

 

[Ton]

No one is saying any goals were a result of the fight but it obviously was not the time or place to chuck the gloves. Boynton would have been smart to walk away there and not let St. Louis gain any momentum.



Is he to blame for the next 4 goals? Well, he was on the ice for a couple of them, but to say the fight was the direct reason St Louis scored, I wouldn't believe that. However its entirely possible that the fight gave St. Louis the right amount of energy to build off and rally back into making it a game.



It's pretty incredible you've never once heard of this concept before, considering momentum might be one of the most important things in hockey -- and all sports.



If you don't score on a 5-on-3, Q said you'll lose the game... well hey how does that work? Momentum can do some funny things, that is a more extreme example but none-the-less it can result in the same type of momentum swings that can effect a game.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

No one is saying any goals were a result of the fight but it obviously was not the time or place to chuck the gloves. Boynton would have been smart to walk away there and not let St. Louis gain any momentum.

We've already tried to explain this multiple times.

 

[PatrickShart]

I get it...and I'm on board. Winning a fight or fighting only when deemed appropriate - or by the right person - is as important as scoring a 5 on 3.



I get it and am now agreeing.



I broke down the goals they scored after that, and I dont think if Nick didnt fight - that they dont score on the delayed penalty, and all the others. But the masses seem to think that was the reason for it - so ok.



I agree...all the players were down after the Boynton fight and STL really took it to them. It never happens to a team when leading going into the third...they sit back. Teams dont do that, where the team down usually outshoots/out plays...D pinches/take more chances. It was clearly a result of the fight that happened at the 10 min mark of the second period.



So next time the Hawks - or any team is losing - they should immediately get into a fight - and gain an incredible amount of energy to come back. And any team that has a lead - should not fight, simply because it will give the other team energy and momentum.



I am on board now and fully understand. I dont know what I was thinking all these years. Fight when losing - dont fight when leading.



I'm now with everyone so we can move on.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I get it...and I'm on board. Winning a fight or fighting only when deemed appropriate - or by the right person - is as important as scoring a 5 on 3.



I get it and am now agreeing.



I broke down the goals they scored after that, and I dont think if Nick didnt fight - that they dont score on the delayed penalty, and all the others. But the masses seem to think that was the reason for it - so ok.



I agree...all the players were down after the Boynton fight and STL really took it to them. It never happens to a team when leading going into the third...they sit back. Teams dont do that, where the team down usually outshoots/out plays...D pinches/take more chances. It was clearly a result of the fight that happened at the 10 min mark of the second period.



So next time the Hawks - or any team is losing - they should immediately get into a fight - and gain an incredible amount of energy to come back. And any team that has a lead - should not fight, simply because it will give the other team energy and momentum.



I am on board now and fully understand. I dont know what I was thinking all these years. Fight when losing - dont fight when leading.



I'm now with everyone so we can move on.

Alright cool can we lock the thread now?

 

[Ton]

I get it...and I'm on board. Winning a fight or fighting only when deemed appropriate - or by the right person - is as important as scoring a 5 on 3.



I get it and am now agreeing.



I broke down the goals they scored after that, and I dont think if Nick didnt fight - that they dont score on the delayed penalty, and all the others. But the masses seem to think that was the reason for it - so ok.



I agree...all the players were down after the Boynton fight and STL really took it to them. It never happens to a team when leading going into the third...they sit back. Teams dont do that, where the team down usually outshoots/out plays...D pinches/take more chances. It was clearly a result of the fight that happened at the 10 min mark of the second period.



So next time the Hawks - or any team is losing - they should immediately get into a fight - and gain an incredible amount of energy to come back. And any team that has a lead - should not fight, simply because it will give the other team energy and momentum.



I am on board now and fully understand. I dont know what I was thinking all these years. Fight when losing - dont fight when leading.



I'm now with everyone so we can move on.

Ohh yeah, I totally get your point now. Fighting has no effect on the game, and it doesn't matter when it happens. Neither team really benefits, and it never gives any team more momentum than the other. In fact its so pointless, why even do it when it spreads momentum equally to both teams? Blues surely didn't plan on benefiting from that fight, nope, in fact they probably thought it stupid since they were trying to get back in the game.



I get it now, Boynton fought so he could actually slow down the momentum for the other team... now that you put it that way, Boynton actually won the game for us because if he wouldn't have fought, maybe the Blues would have been more focused on the game instead of fighting, thus scoring more goals.



Got it, I'm on board. Smart ass, I can be sarcastic too lol!



I never said that the Boynton fight resulted in St. Louis coming back, but it did give them momentum which they took full advantage of and built off that effort in order to find the energy necessary to translate into mounting a comeback. Its called the turning point in the game, now was it all a result of Boyntons fight? No, but it spiraled from there.



Am I blaming Boynton? No, but there are better places to pick your spots. I would say the same if it were any other player on this team.



Who cares anyway, we were able to hold them off and we won. If anything I'm more concerned about Bollands play than Boyntons.

 

[JOVE23]

I get it, you're all being sarcastic and tongue in cheeky.