It Should Have Been Boynton

[Chief Walking Stick]

If fights didn't affect the momentum of a game... fights like the one Boynton was in wouldn't have happened. Reason? Zero reason for anyone to fight when their team is leading 5-1. THE ONLY REASON Crombeen asked him to fight was to lift his team.... seriously man it's as simple as that.



WHAT OTHER REASON would Crombeen challenge him to fight?



I'm not going to sit here and argue that it could have or did or didn't affect what transpired... but it sure looked like a fired up Blues team following that fight.

 

[PatrickShart]

Why did Morin fight? Turns out some history between the two. Didnt know that at the time either, did you?



Who really gives a **** about a fight at the midway point of game 27 that didnt effect the game one bit? Fights are pointless parts of the game anyways. How dd it help them? What goal did they score off of that play? Are you for sure they wouldnt have scored the rest of the game? Would Bolland not have taken a dumb penalty, that lead to a delayed penalty? Would Scott then have covered his point in the 3rd? Would Bolland not have lost a faceoff in his own zone - that lead to a shot from the point/goal? If Scott wouldnt have been talking shit, it would not have been 4 on 4 at the end, leading to more ice and better offensive chances - and a goal. But no one cries about that. So if you can show a direct connection to any of those plays as a result of a fight at the 11min mark, then he hurt the team.



They scored 1 goal the remaining of the period over 6min later - on the delayed penalty on Bolland. They ended the 2nd up 5-2. Huge momentum swing.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Why did Morin fight? Turns out some history between the two. Didnt know that at the time either, did you?



Who really gives a **** about a fight at the midway point of game 27 that didnt effect the game one bit? Fights are pointless parts of the game anyways. How dd it help them? What goal did they score off of that play? Are you for sure they wouldnt have scored the rest of the game? Would Bolland not have taken a dumb penalty, that lead to a delayed penalty? Would Scott then have covered his point in the 3rd? Would Bolland not have lost a faceoff in his own zone - that lead to a shot from the point/goal? If Scott wouldnt have been talking shit, it would not have been 4 on 4 at the end, leading to more ice and better offensive chances - and a goal. But no one cries about that. So if you can show a direct connection to any of those plays as a result of a fight at the 11min mark, then he hurt the team.



They scored 1 goal the remaining of the period over 6min later - on the delayed penalty on Bolland. They ended the 2nd up 5-2. Huge momentum swing.

No I did not... but can you blame a rook for trying to prove he belongs regardless of prior history? A young rookie showing he has the toughness to play in the NHL definitely beats a worthless 9th Dman fighting when his team is up 5-1 for no reason.



And BTW John Scott had more odd man rushes than Boynton

 

[PatrickShart]

No...I really dont blame anyone for any fight. Only some crybabies who dont like certain players seem to blow it out of proportion.



I'l wait for you to point out any of the goals being a direct result of that fight though, that gave STL all the momentum.

 

[TSD]

an asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago....it should have been boynton.





wait, if the asteroid never wiped out the dinosaurs, boynton probably wouldn't exist (neither would all of us) damn you asteroid!

 

[supraman]

No...I really dont blame anyone for any fight. Only some crybabies who dont like certain players seem to blow it out of proportion.



I'l wait for you to point out any of the goals being a direct result of that fight though, that gave STL all the momentum.

You really can't tell. It is all hypothetical. If Boyton doesn't fight the play doesn't stop, about a billion variables could have happened, Toews could have got hurt, Toews could have scored, etc (I dunno who was on the ice just using him as an example). We don't have a what if machine but I do agree that St.Louis seemed to take over the game immediately following the fight. We didn't get the game back until the end of the 3rd.

 

[PatrickShart]

They scored 1 goal the rest of the period. Having a 6th attacker on a delayed penalty.



Hawks lead 5-2 going into the third. Take a look at any team, any game stats of a team with a 3 goal lead going into the 3rd, and they'll sit back while the other team attacks/puts more pressure on them.



The Hawks failure to get the puck in deep when they got it across center ice, the failure to clear the zone - doing the little things - allowed STL back into the game. Not a meaningless fight. But.....I guess someone has to be the blame...so it'll have to be Boynton. Its all his fault.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

They scored 1 goal the rest of the period. Having a 6th attacker on a delayed penalty.



Hawks lead 5-2 going into the third. Take a look at any team, any game stats of a team with a 3 goal lead going into the 3rd, and they'll sit back while the other team attacks/puts more pressure on them.



The Hawks failure to get the puck in deep when they got it across center ice, the failure to clear the zone - doing the little things - allowed STL back into the game. Not a meaningless fight. But.....I guess someone has to be the blame...so it'll have to be Boynton. Its all his fault.

Someone has to get the blame....so its all your ****** fault... now check your PMs.

 

[supraman]

They scored 1 goal the rest of the period. Having a 6th attacker on a delayed penalty.



Hawks lead 5-2 going into the third. Take a look at any team, any game stats of a team with a 3 goal lead going into the 3rd, and they'll sit back while the other team attacks/puts more pressure on them.



The Hawks failure to get the puck in deep when they got it across center ice, the failure to clear the zone - doing the little things - allowed STL back into the game. Not a meaningless fight. But.....I guess someone has to be the blame...so it'll have to be Boynton. Its all his fault.

Hell blame Bolland. He's been horrid this season.

 

[bierboy]

Why were you taking pictures?

grrr....busted!

 

[Pez68]

I'm not arguing with you anymore pmx, because it's just not productive. Your opinion isn't going to change.



That said, where did you play your professional hockey in North America?

 

[PatrickShart]

I played in New Orleans in the ECHL...you?



And I'm not going to sit and act high and mighty - I never stated that I played so I know more than anyone - simply the thoughts of players on the bench when a fight happens, they dont "get sad" or down if someone is in a meaningless fight when winning a game. At any time, its a rush for both teams.



And I'm not going to argue with you either. You don't like Boynton regardless of what he does.

 

[supraman]

I played in New Orleans in the ECHL...you?



And I'm not going to sit and act high and mighty - I never stated that I played so I know more than anyone - simply the thoughts of players on the bench when a fight happens, they dont "get sad" or down if someone is in a meaningless fight when winning a game. At any time, its a rush for both teams.



And I'm not going to argue with you either. You don't like Boynton regardless of what he does.

pmx let me ask you this, is it a bigger rush for the team that won the fight?

 

[PatrickShart]

Not really...because as a teamate you're pretty close with the guy that fought - so you you know what he just did to get into a fight and "represent" your team and show some grit/toughness so to speak. It was the same thing with Morin. Any fight (even the wrestling matches) arent easy and takes balls (with exception to the sucker hits, etc). Those 2 squared up, went at it...and it was over. There were no sucker punches or cheap shots and I'm sure after all 3 of those fights the Hawk bench held their chests and felt a bit tougher that they were going to win the game and not back down physically either. On the STL side...even if they lost the fight, they'd try to use it in the same way. In the LA game, after the Scott fight, even Murray said the team liked that Wengarth stood up and fought hard - regardless of the outcome. That fight didnt lose them that game.



And let me say again....I am not/did not play the "I played card" for the reason to think I'm high/mighty or more acknowledgble than anyone that didnt. I just had a different insight to what a teammate is thinking and they dont feel down or like they lost momentum in a fight like that.

 

[supraman]

Not really...because as a teamate you're pretty close with the guy that fought - so you you know what he just did to get into a fight and "represent" your team and show some grit/toughness so to speak. It was the same thing with Morin. Any fight (even the wrestling matches) arent easy and takes balls (with exception to the sucker hits, etc). Those 2 squared up, went at it...and it was over. There were no sucker punches or cheap shots and I'm sure after all 3 of those fights the Hawk bench held their chests and felt a bit tougher that they were going to win the game and not back down physically either. On the STL side...even if they lost the fight, they'd try to use it in the same way. In the LA game, after the Scott fight, even Murray said the team liked that Wengarth stood up and fought hard - regardless of the outcome. That fight didnt lose them that game.



And let me say again....I am not/did not play the "I played card" for the reason to think I'm high/mighty or more acknowledgble than anyone that didnt. I just had a different insight to what a teammate is thinking and they dont feel down or like they lost momentum in a fight like that.

I'm not taking it that way. But your insight is helpful, regardless if someone agrees with you or not. Your explanation has softened my resolve about Boyton's fight being the potential turning point. Not completely sold but re-evaluating it for certain.



But can I play the "I've played Beer league" card? I mean I've been in a hockey fight...guy sucker punched me...wings fan, whadya expect.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

I played in New Orleans in the ECHL...

So did you ever play the late, great Tallahassee Tiger Sharks in Tally? You're probably not that old because alas, the Sharks have been defunct for a while.

 

[PatrickShart]

Yeah...I am that old...lol and I did play against them

 

[PatrickShart]

I'm not taking it that way. But your insight is helpful, regardless if someone agrees with you or not. Your explanation has softened my resolve about Boyton's fight being the potential turning point. Not completely sold but re-evaluating it for certain.



But can I play the "I've played Beer league" card? I mean I've been in a hockey fight...guy sucker punched me...wings fan, whadya expect.

Now Beer League fights are funny. I had a really good friend who was playing D1 and was "screwing around"/play fighting during one summer, and broke his leg - cost him the whole season...lol.



Boynton's not a selfish player - and you can tell by his actions when he sticks up for his team. He does make some boneheaded plays...but not selfish. Now when Avery does his crap - I'd bet that the lockerroom isnt happy about it, yet they'd still stand up for him. But when they see that sucker punch, for example...that can demoralize a team, knowing thats got nothing to do with being tough or showing team toughness, thats selfish.

 

[supraman]

Now Beer League fights are funny. I had a really good friend who was playing D1 and was "screwing around"/play fighting during one summer, and broke his leg - cost him the whole season...lol.



Boynton's not a selfish player - and you can tell by his actions when he sticks up for his team. He does make some boneheaded plays...but not selfish. Now when Avery does his crap - I'd bet that the lockerroom isnt happy about it, yet they'd still stand up for him. But when they see that sucker punch, for example...that can demoralize a team, knowing thats got nothing to do with being tough or showing team toughness, thats selfish.

Mine wasn't a play fight, bad blood between me and the other guy and I was shoving him off balance into the boards so I could dig the puck out and he took offense and he shoved me I shoved back, he swung twice before I got the gloves off, I tried swinging on him but he had a foot on me so I have to swing up and I lost my balance and fell forward, he fell on top of me and at that point I had little choice but to either turtle and protect myself or get blasted, so I turtled. Guy didnt hit hard either. I still hate that ******.



No Boyton isn't selfish, he is a good team guy.

 

[PatrickShart]

Dont let STU know you turtled