It Should Have Been Boynton

[supraman]

''Everyone on the bench was really positive and upbeat,'' Hawks captain Jonathan Toews said. ''We really showed our team identity tonight with some of the fights and the plays that we made.''





What the **** does Toews know. He shouldve talked about how the fights hurt the infamous "momentum".



Seems the Toews thinks otherwise as well.....but, you and a few board members seem to think different....so he and I must not know anything.

I think the Boyton fight was a bad idea and it did cost us moment. It however do show that we are willing to drop the gloves. Something last year we didn't do too often and if we did it wasn't met with much success.



And I feel you aren't emphasizing Toews's most important point "...the plays we made." The hawks did what they did all last season put on a show of talent and skill. This team is still very deep talent wise and a certain trade was an upgrade in my opinion Stalberg > Versteeg.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

he said "some" of the fights......

 

[PatrickShart]

Right...how many fights were there? 3...."some"



But right....what does Toews know...or some one thats been on the bench for games when there's fights - not at the mens league level.

 

[MassHavoc]

Right...how many fights were there? 3...."some"



But right....what does Toews know...or some one thats been on the bench for games when there's fights - not at the mens league level.

You are arguing with a guy who loves fights so much that he has John Scott's penis tattooed on his ass.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Right...how many fights were there? 3...."some"



But right....what does Toews know...or some one thats been on the bench for games when there's fights - not at the mens league level.

Dude... Scott was doing his job when the game was close (or was it tied?). Morin was trying to prove he belongs... Boynton dropped the gloves in a borderline blowout and looked terrible and the Blues caught fire.

 

[supraman]

Dude... Scott was doing his job when the game was close (or was it tied?). Morin was trying to prove he belongs... Boynton dropped the gloves in a borderline blowout and looked terrible and the Blues caught fire.

And even Kane's scrum was over the illegal hit on Stalberg. Boyton's fight was the one that didn't need to happen. Scott fight was needed, the blues are chippy with that coach so Scott had to send the message quickly that the cheap shit ain't happening. Morin, Stu called it, Morin was trying to show he could play with the big boys.

 

[phranchk]

And even Kane's scrum was over the illegal hit on Stalberg. Boyton's fight was the one that didn't need to happen. Scott fight was needed, the blues are chippy with that coach so Scott had to send the message quickly that the cheap shit ain't happening. Morin, Stu called it, Morin was trying to show he could play with the big boys.

He also fought the same guy a few weeks earlier in the AHL so there was bad blood there.

 

[supraman]

He also fought the same guy a few weeks earlier in the AHL so there was bad blood there.

Oh wow didn't know that. I don't follow the AHL much.

 

[E Runs]

Can we change the thread title to "Childern throwing Thier Toys Around the Sandbox Over When Fights Are Appropriate"? or "Bullshit That's Spilled Over From the Chat"?

 

[phranchk]

Oh wow didn't know that. I don't follow the AHL much.

I didn't either, neither did Q until after the game.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Can we change the thread title to "Childern throwing Thier Toys Around the Sandbox Over When Fights Are Appropriate"? or "Bullshit That's Spilled Over From the Chat"?

That's so long I've already lost interest.

 

[puckjim]

Can we change the thread title to "Childern throwing Thier Toys Around the Sandbox Over When Fights Are Appropriate"? or "Bullshit That's Spilled Over From the Chat"?

There'd have to be a lot of thread-title changes, then.

 

[Larmer83]

As a general rule of thumb, if you agree with Eddie Olczyk you're probably on the wrong side of an argument. If Boynton backed down from the offer to fight, how many here would have marked that as a turning point when the Blues fought back to make it a game?



Make no mistake the Blues were not outplayed. Even when it was 5 to1. The Blues had several odd man breaks when the game was in doubt but could not convert. Kopecky's goal was an indirect result of Conklin tripping his dman. Brouwer's goal no doubt the epitome of strong board work and great passing(purple). The Toews goal was due to Johnson opening up Conklin's 5 hole(Perhaps that wording is a bit graphic). Basically the shots were even. The Hawks made the most of their chances and got lucky. The push back was coming.



Boynton fighting had as much to do with the Blues come back as Eddie Olczyk had with the Rangers winning the Cup. Nothing.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I missed most of the game and saw the fights.



It looked like Crombeen was trying to give his team a jump and asked Boynton for a go. Nick agreed and while he took some heavy punches he at least took the fight. Crombeen you could tell was showing some sportsmanship when after he "buckled" Boynton with a couple shots, he ended the fight.



I know for a fact if Boynton would have skated away and didn't do shit, many board members here would be calling him a "wuss" and saying he should have fought Crombeen.



Did it give the Blues a jump? Possibly, I didn't see the game, but I at least respect Boynton for being part of the code and willing to drop them. Guaranteed he gets some respect by the rest of the league for that.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I missed most of the game and saw the fights.



It looked like Crombeen was trying to give his team a jump and asked Boynton for a go. Nick agreed and while he took some heavy punches he at least took the fight. Crombeen you could tell was showing some sportsmanship when after he "buckled" Boynton with a couple shots, he ended the fight.



I know for a fact if Boynton would have skated away and didn't do shit, many board members here would be calling him a "wuss" and saying he should have fought Crombeen.



Did it give the Blues a jump? Possibly, I didn't see the game, but I at least respect Boynton for being part of the code and willing to drop them. Guaranteed he gets some respect by the rest of the league for that.

It's part of the code to accept every fight? He challenged fucking Boynton for God's sake... had someone challenged Scott to "get their team going" that's a different story.



What sane person would have called Boynton a wuss for skating away from a fight in a 5-1 blow out? We already know he's tough and sticks up for his teammates like he did at the end of the Wiz hit on Seabrook game and after the big hit a few games ago when he jumped someone.



ZERO reason to accept a fight in a 5-1 game unless your teammate got blown up or someone really needs an ass kicking for being a hack the whole game.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

What sane person would have called Boynton a wuss for skating away from a fight in a 5-1 blow out? We already know he's tough and sticks up for his teammates like he did at the end of the Wiz hit on Seabrook game and after the big hit a few games ago when he jumped someone.



ZERO reason to accept a fight in a 5-1 game unless your teammate got blown up or someone really needs an ass kicking for being a hack the whole game.

I didn't see the game so I don't know what led up to it or how the Hawks were playing before hand.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

I didn't see the game so I don't know what led up to it or how the Hawks were playing before hand.

Gotcha... the fight was definitely unnecessary and this coming from someone who has an unhealthy obsession with them. There are only two people who think the fight was ok that I have seen and that's Larmer and PMX. I am not discounting their opinions, just regurgitating facts.

 

[PatrickShart]

If Scott wouldve fought anyone in a 5-1 game, you'd be screaming like TCD at a Justin Bierber concert.



The only people that think fights can "sway" a game are fans. Theres not a player on a team thats winning that thinks if their player wins or loses a fight thats going to change how they play. Toews said it best, that Boynton doing that helps the Hawks show their identity and if anything, will bring them together. It doesnt change the Hawks momentum or how they play the game.



Again....I've been there, done that. Toews himself said it. I bet you ask any of the 20 players on the roster and they respect Boynton for doing that. But, some fans think Nick shouldve "skated away" because thats what they wouldve done, or the Hawks needed to protect a 5-1 lead...so be it. The team didnt end up short handed. That play had zero effect on any of the goals scored by STL. He wasnt fighting while the Blues were skating around, scoring goals. If the Hawks were losing 5-1 and Boynton did that, the same people would be crying saying the Hawks don't need a fight, and whats Boynton doing, etc. Simply because they dont like the guy. The issue isnt that he fought, its simply because some don't like the guy. But find me one other Dman in the league making 500K that can play 13-17min a game, be a -1, etc. Fot what he's paid, and the options out there...he and Cullimore are playing as well as expected and contributing.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

If Scott wouldve fought anyone in a 5-1 game, you'd be screaming like TCD at a Justin Bierber concert.



The only people that think fights can "sway" a game are fans. Theres not a player on a team thats winning that thinks if their player wins or loses a fight thats going to change how they play. Toews said it best, that Boynton doing that helps the Hawks show their identity and if anything, will bring them together. It doesnt change the Hawks momentum or how they play the game.



Again....I've been there, done that. Toews himself said it. I bet you ask any of the 20 players on the roster and they respect Boynton for doing that. But, some fans think Nick shouldve "skated away" because thats what they wouldve done, or the Hawks needed to protect a 5-1 lead...so be it. The team didnt end up short handed. That play had zero effect on any of the goals scored by STL. He wasnt fighting while the Blues were skating around, scoring goals. If the Hawks were losing 5-1 and Boynton did that, the same people would be crying saying the Hawks don't need a fight, and whats Boynton doing, etc. Simply because they dont like the guy. The issue isnt that he fought, its simply because some don't like the guy. But find me one other Dman in the league making 500K that can play 13-17min a game, be a -1, etc. Fot what he's paid, and the options out there...he and Cullimore are playing as well as expected and contributing.

The bottom line is.... there was zero reason for Nick to accept a fight from anyone on that roster at that time. Whether it swayed momentum or not...

 

[PatrickShart]

Thats your opinion...but it didnt hurt the team one bit, as you and others claim.



There no point for any fight in any game either, but you seem to get off on them anyway.