It Should Have Been Boynton

[PatrickShart]

100% agree Eruns



The team goes as Keith goes - not Nick Boynton....Cullimore, Kopecky, Pisani, Skille...etc

 

[LordKOTL]

Let's be fair, though. Duncan Keith hasn't been the sole reason our start has been lacklustre.



But, let's be fair. He's *a* reason. In all honesty I don't there's a single member of the blackhawks organization that is on the ice during the game that would be absolved responsibility of that.

 

[Pez68]

All he did with that post, was pick out a handful of games that makes Keith look bad, and Boynton look good. He also didn't mention a single game where Boynton and Keith played together, because it pretty much proves my point. Most of those games saw Keith AND Boynton as a negative, btw. See, I can do the same thing:



10/13 vs. NSH - Keith 32:52 of icetime.... +1 .....Boynton 19:32 of icetime... -1



What exactly does that prove? Well, not much.



How about games Keith was paired with Boynton?



10/22 vs STL - Keith 26:49 of icetime... -2 .....Boynton 23:55 of icetime -2

10/23 vs CBJ - Keith 29:08 of icetime... -1 .....Boynton 21:17 of icetime -1

11/19 vs CAL - Keith 27:11 of icetime... -2 .....Boynton 17:59 of icetime -2

11/14 vs ANA - Keith 27:37 of icetime... E .....Boynton 16:34 of icetime -1



How about 10/29?



10/29 vs EDM - Keith 27:54 of icetime... -1 .....Boynton 14:46 of icetime -3



What's my point? Well, that Boynton sucks, and Keith's play sure as hell wasn't going to improve playing with him..Oh, and that Boynton playing big minutes really didn't cutdown on Keith's icetime at all.



Take a look at the games Keith was a -, and tell me how many of those games he was actually paired with Seabrook... VERY few of them. I can count two... Buffalo, and New Jersey. The rest of them, I'm pretty sure he was paired with Cullimore or Boynton. It's a big reason Keith is -4 and Seabrook is +3...

 

[Pez68]

By the way, absolutely none of that fucking matters. It's all in the past, and there are so many circumstances affecting our defense over the first 20 or so games, that it is all meaningless. Let's see how Keith plays paired with Seabrook for the rest of the year, and let's see if Boynton continues to suck getting third pairing minutes. I bet Keith plays well, and I bet Boynton continues to suck, even with reduced minutes. Anyone want to put money on that?



Back on topic, it SHOULD have been Boynton hurt, and not Hossa. Hendry is better anyway.

 

[PatrickShart]

Keith and Boynton started as a D pair on 11/10...so you're "pretty sure" about games that Keith played well, he HAD to be paired with Boynton? Yet Nick happens to be E on the year



http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20101110/sports/711119737/



There's some facts for you on when the pairings switched. Straight out of the head coaches mouth as well in that article -



Keith is now minus-7 in the first 18 games. “He can be better,” Quenneville said.



But Boynton sucks and Keith's been a rock.

 

[PatrickShart]

I also listed what their stats were on the year -



D.Keith - 27:35gm - -4 - 31gva - 14hits - 53 blk shts

Boynton - 17:49gm - E - 17gva - 27hits - 53 blk shts

Hjarlmn - 18:47gm - -3 - 17gva - 16hits - 52 blk shts



If Boynton sucks with those numbers....what does that say about Hjarlmarsson? And Keith leading the entire NHL in giveaways as a defenceman, isnt alarming or reflective of the play of the reigning Norris Champ, its obvious, because he had to play 7 games as a pairing with Boynton.

 

[PatrickShart]

And....at the 26 game mark last year -

Keith was a +10

Hjarlmarsson was a +8



And the 5/6 Dman that Boynton replaced last year at the 26gm mark -

Sopel - -1

Barker - +2

 

[PatrickShart]

Keith was playing 30 min a game the first part of the year - due to Campbell being out. Since Campbell came back - and yes, Keith has still be sucking - while paired with Seabrook the majority of the time, Q switched the pairings and put Hjallmarsson with Seabrook, Campbell with Cullimore and Boynton with Keith. Those D pairings took place on 11/10 game vs PHX. Up until that point.....here were some of the 17 games played stats -

10/10 vs BUF - Keith 31min of ice time.... - 2 .....Boynton 23min of ice time - +2

10/18 vs STL - Keith 31min of ice time.... -1 .......Boynton 23min of ice time - +1

11/03 vs NJ - Keith 29min of ice time......-4 ........Boynton 10min of ice time - +1

11/07 vs EDM- Keith 29min of ice time ...-1........Boynton 14min of ice time - +1



Up until that point -

Keith - 17gms -5

Boynton - 16gms - E



As a pair - from 11/10 to 11/24 vs SJ

Keith -7gms -2 - 23:40 avg ice time

Boynton - 7gms -1 - 17:50 avg ice tieme



Here are some quote at the time of switching them up on 11/10 - for a whopping 7 games - not 20, but why throw facts in there -

Seabrook skated mostly with Niklas Hjalmarsson, while Keith was partners with Nick Boynton. The shake-up didn’t help Keith, who was minus-2 and turned the puck over on both Phoenix goals in a 2-1 loss to the Coyotes.



Keith is now minus-7 in the first 18 games. “He can be better,” Quenneville said.

And I bolded....where I listed thier stats when paired together, after 11/10 as the coach said. So I didnt leave it out, reading simply would have pointed that out. But if 500K Nick Boynton is supposed to have better numbers than Norris Trophy winning Duncan Keith making 5.3mil in your world, then yes...Boynton will suck in your eyes.

 

[E Runs]

There's a lesson here: don't bring a knife to pmxc's gun fight.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

Keith and Boynton started as a D pair on 11/10...so you're "pretty sure" about games that Keith played well, he HAD to be paired with Boynton? Yet Nick happens to be E on the year



http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20101110/sports/711119737/



There's some facts for you on when the pairings switched. Straight out of the head coaches mouth as well in that article -



Keith is now minus-7 in the first 18 games. “He can be better,” Quenneville said.



But Boynton sucks and Keith's been a rock.

Down, pmxc, down -- I don't want you to have a heart attack before tonight's game. Game chat would be no fun without you!

I don't think anybody is saying Keith has been a rock. He's been lava at best until the past few games. I totally agree, the guy has not been himself no matter who his partner has been. Up until the past 5-6 games, and especially the last two (when he has finally looked like the real Duncan Keith), Keith hasn't been good except in maybe a couple of odd games here or there. He was pressing too hard instead of just playing and judging solely by looking at him play, it looked to me like he was pressing even more when he played with Boynton. I'm not saying it was because Boynton himself sucked (though he did on occasion), I'm saying it looked like Keith sucked more when paired with Boynton. It's probably because I fixate way too much on the d-men at all times because I find their play so interesting (for some reason moreso than the forwards). So it might be idiotic, or intuition, or projection, but I'm judging by how it looked to my totally untrained eye, even if the stats show that Keith has been an equal opportunity suck this season.



And no, I don't think Keith played anywhere near as well against Edmonton as he did against Ana and L.A. Maybe not eggshells but still . . .

 

[FlaHawkFan]

There's a lesson here: don't bring a knife to pmxc's gun fight.

Maybe it would have helped the cause if at some point Q had said, "Boynton sucks!"



I kid, I kid.

 

[PatrickShart]

I agree with ERuns when said that as Keith goes, so does the team. He had 2 good games, the last 2 - and it showed in the teams play. I dont think the team goes as Boynton or Cullimore - and I think those 2 have played up to their talents/abilities this year. For 2 guys making 500K, to be playing 17min and 13min a nite respectively...to be E and +6 - is pretty damn good for 2 guys in the AHL last year. Coming into the season, if anyone were to tell me those two would have those numbers...I'd have been pretty damn happy.



For Keith and Hjarllmarsson though, I think they havent been up to expectations. Now, Hjarlmmarsson has been much better since I think the Nashville game on and Keith, these last 2 have been his best of the year. But those are 2 players that havent plaed up to their full potential - not Nick Boynton.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

I agree with ERuns when said that as Keith goes, so does the team. He had 2 good games, the last 2 - and it showed in the teams play. I dont think the team goes as Boynton or Cullimore - and I think those 2 have played up to their talents/abilities this year. For 2 guys making 500K, to be playing 17min and 13min a nite respectively...to be E and +6 - is pretty damn good for 2 guys in the AHL last year. Coming into the season, if anyone were to tell me those two would have those numbers...I'd have been pretty damn happy.



For Keith and Hjarllmarsson though, I think they havent been up to expectations. Now, Hjarlmmarsson has been much better since I think the Nashville game on and Keith, these last 2 have been his best of the year. But those are 2 players that havent plaed up to their full potential - not Nick Boynton.

I have to chuckle because that's a pretty sad commentary on Boynton, in a way.



Apart from Boynton's turnovers vs. SJ, I really have no complaints this season about either Boynton or Cullimore. If they can get the Hawks a solid 7-10 mins per night, and even do spot duty on the PK, they're fine. It would be great if we could get better 5-6 d-men but at the cost, I don't really see how the Hawks could get anybody appreciably better. Unless maybe Jay McKee would come out of retirement and take $500K!

 

[Pez68]

Blah blah, insert some more +- stats about our defensemen, blah blah.

Let's see how Keith plays paired with Seabrook for the rest of the year, and let's see if Boynton continues to suck getting third pairing minutes. I bet Keith plays well, and I bet Boynton continues to suck, even with reduced minutes. Anyone want to put money on that?

Boynton was pretty terrible on the lone St. Louis goal that was scored, and he's only played like 5 minutes.

 

[PatrickShart]

blah blah blah..go back and ***** about Kopecky should be in the pressbox when he just had a 4pt night, is one of the better Hawks with puck support game in and game out, and in front of the net on the PP. Let me know if you want me to explain those things and the importance to you. Since +/- means nothing to you, yet you point out Kopecky's -9....well, -6 after tonite

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

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[FlaHawkFan]

LOL, Stu.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

On a serious note:



20:00 Nick Boynton: 2 Minutes for Slashing Alexander Steen



Way to go big boy!

 

[PatrickShart]

Damn, so the Hawks will start friday's game without the momentum.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Damn, so the Hawks will start friday's game without the momentum.

Nah, we're just talking about Boynton being terrible.