It's Official: Fighting Sioux Nickname Gone

[IceHogsFan]

The bill as passed and signed by the governor contemplates the state suing the NCAA if the association attempts to punish UND for retaining the nickname and logo. The NCAA adopted a rule in 2005 seeking to ban use of Native American names and imagery by member schools and threatening sanctions against schools that refuse to abide by the rule. Those sanctions would prevent schools that continue to use Native American names and imagery from hosting NCAA championship events or outfitting teams participating in those championships in uniforms bearing the contested imagery.

 

[tvltre]

I ride the BNSF with an alum every morning. He was giddy as heck when the news came out!



Finally rational thought wins out!

 

[genefoley]

Fighting Sioux controversy simmering

 

[Shoots_he_scores]

Fighting Sioux controversy simmering

Pretty much sums it up. Don't know why we'd be afraid of the sanctions we'll get they're not a big deal. Can't use the name or logo in postseason play, not a big deal we'll have seperate jerseys. The other one would be the inability to host postseason events. Everything other than football is held at neutral sites anyway. Only sport that would be effected is football, and really football can kiss my ass cause IMO what's best for the hockey team is best for the rest of our athletics. Hockey is the only sport we have that makes any money and is the only reason people even know we're up here.

 

[MassHavoc]

Please make the drama stop...



Oh and would you mind fixing the thread title since I'm lazy today?

 

[Shoots_he_scores]

Please make the drama stop...



Oh and would you mind fixing the thread title since I'm lazy today?

Try living up here and hearing about this crap every single day. It's died down a bit now because it's summer and there's not much to do up here in the summer other than drink and golf(not complaining about that combo) but when school starts again and hockey season gets close this is going to get pretty bad, especially around August 15th which is the NCAA's deadline for us to get rid of it. It'll be interesting to see what happens and I hope we fight tooth and nail in order to keep it, but I definitely will get a little bit of relief when this is over.

 

[IceHogsFan]

Try living up here and hearing about this crap every single day. It's died down a bit now because it's summer and there's not much to do up here in the summer other than drink and golf(not complaining about that combo) but when school starts again and hockey season gets close this is going to get pretty bad, especially around August 15th which is the NCAA's deadline for us to get rid of it. It'll be interesting to see what happens and I hope we fight tooth and nail in order to keep it, but I definitely will get a little bit of relief when this is over.

I hope that you, the UND faculty, staff, alumni, students and all of those supporting the name and logo to continue to fight the good fight. The NCAA has been a bully in their attempt at PC. It is time that more take a stand.

 

[MassHavoc]

Jesus fucking christ

Students sue over Sioux nickname

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Associated Press

FARGO, N.D. -- Six American Indian students at the University of North Dakota filed a federal lawsuit Thursday asking to eliminate the school's Fighting Sioux nickname, one day before state officials are scheduled to meet with NCAA officials about the moniker.



The complaint alleges that a new law requiring the school to keep the nickname violates the state constitution and reverses a court-ordered settlement between UND and the NCAA that retired the logo. The students want a court order directing the state Board of Higher education and UND to drop it for good.



"We want the legislation stricken," said Carla Fredericks, a New York attorney and enrolled member of the Three Affiliated Tribes in North Dakota.



Some state leaders and UND President Robert Kelley are scheduled to meet with NCAA executives Friday in Indianapolis. Republican House Majority Leader Al Carlson, of Fargo, questioned the timing of the lawsuit and said it represents a handful of people with out-of-state interests.



"You've got a New York attorney. It was nice of them to keep it local," Carlson said. "We understand why it was done. It's a small group. My job is to represent the majority of North Dakotans.



"I think there has been a lot of discussion already and tomorrow we are going to make the case why we think the Fighting Sioux nickname should be retained," he said of Friday's meeting.



Fredericks said the timing of the lawsuit is related to the fact that the settlement agreement dictated that the nickname be officially retired Monday, and not because of the meeting with NCAA officials.



"The meeting that is happening on Friday is because of the Monday deadline," she said.



The suit names Gov. Jack Dalrymple, Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem, the state of North Dakota, the higher education board and UND. State officials said they had not seen the lawsuit and could not comment.



The Legislature earlier this year passed a bill requiring UND to keep the nickname and logo even though the school had begun efforts to retire it. The NCAA said UND will face sanctions if it remains. The school will be barred from hosting NCAA postseason games and its teams will not be able to wear the nickname and logo on its uniforms in postseason contests.



The Big Sky Conference, which UND hopes to join next year, wants the issue resolved and said it could create problems with the school's conference membership.



The students bringing the lawsuit are Amber Annis, Lisa Casarez, William Crawford, Sierra Davis, Robert Rainbow, Margaret Scott, Franklin Sage and Janie Schroeder. In addition to their complaints about the state law and settlement agreement, the suit alleges that the nickname has had "a profoundly negative impact" on their self-image and psychological health, and has deprived them "of an equal educational experience and environment."



The debate over the Fighting Sioux nickname has lasted for decades. The present controversy began in 2006 when the NCAA placed UND on a list of schools with American Indian nicknames deemed "hostile and abusive." UND sued the NCAA and the settlement agreement called for the school to retire the nickname on Aug. 15, 2011, if it did not get approval from the state's two namesake tribes.



Spirit Lake Sioux tribal members endorsed the nickname and logo in a referendum, and the tribe's governing council followed. The Standing Rock Sioux's tribal council, which has long opposed the nickname, has declined to change its stand.



David Gipp, president of United Tribes Technical College in Bismarck and a UND alumnus, calls the lawsuit long overdue.



"I believe that state officials have failed to live up to their responsibilities," Gipp said. "By consistently minimizing and avoiding the realities of this case and ignoring those who describe the damage it creates in the higher education setting, they are continuing to cause great harm."





Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press

To me this is about a Lawyer and some students looking for a payoff.... and if they get it this will never end because many more will pop-up and want one.



Can someone explain this part to me?



"of an equal educational experience and environment."

How does the name impact them from having an equal education experience and environment?

 

[IceHogsFan]

Once again, the minority gets a voice whereas the overwhelming population of ND and even SD support the name and logo. I was just in SD last weekend and this came up in discussion with my inlaws who are registered on the Standing Rock reservation. They are in full support of the name and logo.



I hope that these "kids" who are so emotionally traumatized have this thrown out. I hope a judge stands up and says you can elect to choose another educational campus if you are so disturbed.

 

[IceHogsFan]

After Gov. Jack Dalrymple signed House Bill 1263 into law this year, the school was left with the dilemma of having to either disobey the government that controls its purse-strings or to flout the rules of the NCAA, the entity that controls the arguably mightier purse-strings of college football.



The nickname controversy appeared to be closer to a resolution Friday when Dalrymple and other state officials traveled to Indianapolis to meet with NCAA officials in a last-ditch effort to resolve the matter.



"It's our understanding coming out of this meeting that the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo will be dropped," the NCAA quoted its Vice President for Communications Bob Williams as saying Friday. "The contingent from North Dakota made it clear that they were committed to changing the legislative action that would require retention of the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo. However, our settlement agreement remains in effect, and, as a result, the University of North Dakota will be subject to the policy effective Aug. 15."



"I have come to the conclusion that the cost of retaining the Sioux logo is too great," the NCAA press release quoted Dalrymple as saying. "There's no question that the settlement agreement will stand according to the NCAA, and there will be no further negotiations."



In 2000, for example, then-UND president Charles Kupchella tried to retire the Fighting Sioux until a wealthy alum threatened to withhold a $100 million donation for a new hockey arena, an episode chronicled by author Deni Elliot in her book "The Kindness of Strangers: Philanthropy and Higher Education." Today, the school's state-of-the-art rink not only bears that donor's name, it's decorated with more than 2,000 Fighting Sioux logos.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/08/14/north.dakota.mascot.fight/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[MassHavoc]

THIS IS FUCKING STUPID. I WANT FIGHTING IRISH GONE IMMEDIATELY

 

[Shoots_he_scores]

Yea, I saw this on Friday, I knew there was a meeting, just didn't have time to post anything this weekend. Unfortunately this looks like the end of the road. There really isn't much anybody can do if the NC$$ isn't willing to budge. It sucks, and I think the administration up here is going to really see how strong of an attachment there is to the nickname. I'll include the email the president Robert Kelley sent out to students and staff at the end here, needless to say I think his days are numbered cause students and alumni are gonna run him out of town. As the saying goes know when to hold 'em and know when to fold 'em, in this case it's just time to move on.

Dear Campus Community:



I want to bring you up to date on recent events related to the nickname and logo. But first let me a take a moment to welcome everyone to the start of a new academic year. I can feel the energy, enthusiasm, and excitement in the air as many return to campus from being gone all summer. We also have the privilege of welcoming our new students and families in the upcoming Welcome Weekend. I encourage you to participate in these events so you can meet some of our new students. A special welcome to our new faculty, as well. We look forward to you joining our community



As you may know, our university had been directed by the State Board of Education to retire the nickname and logo of our athletic programs by August 15, 2011. The transition was proceeding when the state legislature passed a bill requiring UND to retain the name and logo. After the Governor signed that bill into law, the State Board directed me to suspend any further activities associated with its retirement.



Following a meeting last Friday between North Dakota officials and the leadership of the National Collegiate Athletic Association, the State Board of Higher Education held a teleconference meeting today and instructed me to resume the process of planning the retirement of the nickname and logo nickname consistent with prior Board action. The State Board of higher education extended the deadline to complete that process through December 2011. I will resume the planning process, mindful of the state law which, as of Aug. 1, directs the University of North Dakota to continue to use our nickname and logo. Gov. Jack Dalrymple has indicated that he will urge the North Dakota Legislature to readdress that law in the special session of the North Dakota Legislature planned for November.



The controversy surrounding the name and logo cannot be permitted to deter us from our core missions of teaching and learning, research, and service. We begin the 2011-2012 academic year as strong as our university has ever been. Our talented and dedicated faculty and staff, supported by our committed alumni and friends, will sustain the momentum that has been generated in recent months around the Exceptional UND initiatives that can establish our position as a world-class institution of higher education.



I know that each of us will do all we can to contribute to the success of all of us. Our university has a long and distinguished history and tradition, and we all play important roles in writing the next chapter.



Robert O. Kelley

President

 

[MassHavoc]

horseshit.

 

[IceHogsFan]

horseshit.

Double Horseshit

 

[tvltre]

These kids...."Amber Annis, Lisa Casarez, William Crawford, Sierra Davis, Robert Rainbow, Margaret Scott, Franklin Sage and Janie Schroeder"



Have done more harm than they could have imagined.

 

[Shoots_he_scores]

These kids...."Amber Annis, Lisa Casarez, William Crawford, Sierra Davis, Robert Rainbow, Margaret Scott, Franklin Sage and Janie Schroeder"



Have done more harm than they could have imagined.

Their potential lawsuit had absolutely no bearing on the NC$$ decision. It probably would have been thrown out of court anyway. Interesting fact about the students in the lawsuit, none are actually Sioux. They also somehow had the $$$ to pay some huge New York based law firm, makes me wonder if somebody else was paying the lawyer fees for that.

 

[LordKOTL]

Ya know...this PC blackash has got to stop. As a wop myself, I propose the University of Chicago changes their mascot to "Murdering Italians." And if any fellow dago gets offended they can violate their anal orifices on a saguaro cactus.

 

[phranchk]

The Spirit Lake tribe has filed a lawsuit against the NCAA regarding the UND Fighting Sioux nickname: http://bit.ly/t8ZwAn

They're suing the NCAA because they want the University to be able to use the name.

I hope they win the lawsuit.

 

[IceHogsFan]

The Spirit Lake tribe has filed a lawsuit against the NCAA regarding the UND Fighting Sioux nickname: http://bit.ly/t8ZwAn

They're suing the NCAA because they want the University to be able to use the name.

I hope they win the lawsuit.

And the story continues...... NICE!



Thanks for sharing Frank.

 

[Shoots_he_scores]

Yea there's a lot to this lawsuit, again I think it's too little too late and I've kind of accepted that our name is probably going away but I hope the NCAA gets really dragged through the mud on this. What's really funny and ironic about the lawsuit is how the very people the NCAA is trying to protect from discrimination and hostility is now suing them for hostility and discriminatiojn.