Jack Skille, Hugh Jessiman, David Pacan traded for Michael Frolik and Alexander Salak from Panthers

[LordKOTL]

I may have mentioned this before...but here it goes again:



The Czechs and Slovaks have always been separate people--Their language is different and their ancestry is different--it was different back in the Austrio-Hungarian empire (Medeival through WWI), it was different in the 1st Czechoslovak republic (Between WWI and WWII), is was different when the Czech portion was under Nazi rule and the 1st Slovak republic was a Nazi pupet state (WWII), it was different in the 2nd Czechoslovak Republic (Cold-war Era), and is different now. Slovaks are Slovaks. Czechs are generally divided into 2 ethnic groups: Bohemians from the west of the Czech republic, and the Moravians from the East Czech republic, even though they share a common language with each other.



Calling Hossa and Frolik countrymen would be like calling Steve Irwin and Celine Dion (singer or Leafs D-man) countrymen because at one time their ancestors were both part of the British Empire.



And belive you me...Slovaks hate being called Czechs. My dad made that mistake with my fiancee once...



...once.

 

[MassHavoc]

I may have mentioned this before...but here it goes again:



The Czechs and Slovaks have always been separate people--Their language is different and their ancestry is different--it was different back in the Austrio-Hungarian empire (Medeival through WWI), it was different in the 1st Czechoslovak republic (Between WWI and WWII), is was different when the Czech portion was under Nazi rule and the 1st Slovak republic was a Nazi pupet state (WWII), it was different in the 2nd Czechoslovak Republic (Cold-war Era), and is different now. Slovaks are Slovaks. Czechs are generally divided into 2 ethnic groups: Bohemians from the west of the Czech republic, and the Moravians from the East Czech republic, even though they share a common language with each other.



Calling Hossa and Frolik countrymen would be like calling Steve Irwin and Celine Dion (singer or Leafs D-man) countrymen because at one time their ancestors were both part of the British Empire.



And belive you me...Slovaks hate being called Czechs. My dad made that mistake with my fiancee once...



...once.

Looks like you should have a new signature Johnny.

 

[CLWolf81]

Interesting trade. Never heard of either one of them. Then again, I don't follow Florida hockey. I'm intrigued with that Salak kid, though. Hopefully he's going to be at Training Camp so we can all take a look at him.

 

[R K]

Interesting trade. Never heard of either one of them. Then again, I don't follow Florida hockey. I'm intrigued with that Salak kid, though. Hopefully he's going to be at Training Camp so we can all take a look at him.

From reading over there they seem to like Salak more than they do the other guy, who last I read was supposed to be the phenom goalie.



No doubt we needed something in goal. Richards and Toivenen both suck.

 

[LordKOTL]

Looks like you should have a new signature Johnny.

One of my fiancee and my fave movies...



Right up there with Spaceballs, Down Periscope, Stripes, and Hot Shots, and Major League.

 

[MassHavoc]

One of my fiancee and my fave movies...



Right up there with Spaceballs, Down Periscope, Stripes, and Hot Shots, and Major League.

I cant' tell you how many times I've used that line and no one gets it.... you'd think that people would be more familiar with any movie that had Michael Keaton AND JOE PISCOPO!

 

[IceHogsFan]

No doubt we needed something in goal. Richards and Toivenen both suck.

Toivonen for sure.......Richards shows moments of promise and I have not completely thrown in his towel yet.



Netminder depth is terrible and Salak certainly sounds like a brightspot in the future.

 

[E Runs]

Who is gonna do the polar bear plunge with myself, Steve and the Puckjim family now?

That Polar Plunge is the fucking kiss of death! Last year Barker, this year Skille.

 

[Ton]

This is a meh trade on paper.



Where does Frolik fit in? He's clearly not a center and he's not a left winger either. That leaves right wing, of course, where we already have Kane, Hossa and Pisani at the moment. Playing Frolik at center is probably going to be about as successful as playing Kopecky there, and putting him at left wing on lines with either Kane or Hossa will probably create about as much chemistry as when Hossa and Kane play together -- that is to say none.



Frolik has some skills, but I just don't see the fit. We'll see, I guess...

I agree with you.



I'm not pissed about the trade, just confused where he fits.



I will be pissed if this is the only move we make though. It's confusing because it still leaves some holes in the line-up, and it didn't necessarily fix anything, which leads me to believe there is more to come.



Also leads me to believe that Sharp won't be coming back if Frolik is able to prove he can be versatile during the final stretch of the year.

 

[Pez68]

I don't think Frolik does anything to Sharp's future here... I think Sharp will probably be signing another contract with this team next year, to be perfectly honest. He is as much an untouchable as Kane and Toews, as far as marketing and brand recognition is concerned. Not to mention, a HUGE part of this team's success.

 

[bierboy]

I truly liked Skille and thought he could do something at this level....and he still might. But it was surely developing that he did not fit into our system...

 

[fanof19]

Skille playing with Weiss and Higgins tonight.



Frolik will give Sharp a run for his money in the female/marketing appeal Pez.

 

[Ton]

I don't think Frolik does anything to Sharp's future here... I think Sharp will probably be signing another contract with this team next year, to be perfectly honest. He is as much an untouchable as Kane and Toews, as far as marketing and brand recognition is concerned. Not to mention, a HUGE part of this team's success.

We'll see. Even with $4M coming off the cap next year, I have a hard time believing all of Seabrook, Sharp, Frolik, and Brouwer will be retained considering all of them have expiring contracts and all of them are due for a raise.



Who knows, maybe the plan all along was to acquire Frolik and let him walk via offer sheet so we can gain some picks -- something that wouldn't be possible with Skille.

 

[Pez68]

We'll see. Even with $4M coming off the cap next year, I have a hard time believing all of Seabrook, Sharp, Frolik, and Brouwer will be retained considering all of them have expiring contracts and all of them are due for a raise.



Who knows, maybe the plan all along was to acquire Frolik and let him walk via offer sheet so we can gain some picks -- something that wouldn't be possible with Skille.

Sharp is good until 2012 sir.

 

[Ton]

Sharp is good until 2012 sir.

I'm still tired from yesterday... haha! I guess there isn't much to worry about then, not sure why I thought Sharps contract was ending this year, but boy is that a relief knowing he's locked up for another year.

 

[Pez68]

I'm still tired from yesterday... haha! I guess there isn't much to worry about then, not sure why I thought Sharps contract was ending this year, but boy is that a relief knowing he's locked up for another year.

It's all good. For some reason, I thought his contract was up this year as well. I had to check it several months ago.

 

[R K]

We'll see. Even with $4M coming off the cap next year, I have a hard time believing all of Seabrook, Sharp, Frolik, and Brouwer will be retained considering all of them have expiring contracts and all of them are due for a raise.



Who knows, maybe the plan all along was to acquire Frolik and let him walk via offer sheet so we can gain some picks -- something that wouldn't be possible with Skille.

4Mil in penalties and another 3m (estimate) of the cap rising. Which was dead on last year. So that's about 7 mil. Now if ESPN wins the battle for network rights throw even more at that 3mil number.

 

[JOVE23]

4Mil in penalties and another 3m (estimate) of the cap rising. Which was dead on last year. So that's about 7 mil. Now if ESPN wins the battle for network rights throw even more at that 3mil number.

As an aside, if ESPN gets the NHL rights they'd better put the games on ESPN3.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I'm here to make this simple:



Hawks traded:



Jack Skille- Does he have first line potential? **** no. He had great speed, hustle, would check, and a good shot. He wasn't a great passer nor did he see the game very well. Probably at worst a 4th liner maybe a 2nd liner, probably not though.



David Pacan- 6th Round Draft pick, left NCAA for OHL. Don't know too much.



Hugh Jessiman- a project forward who looks like is going to remain a career AHLer unless his production goes up.



Florida traded:



Michael Frolik- Coming off back to back seasons of 20 goals, also in his first two seasons in the league... ON THE PANTHERS! Skilled forward who will play left wing for the Hawks and still is only 22 years old and has more potential then Skille.



Alexander Salak- Another goaltender of the future for the Hawks, which gives them depth at goaltender. Had a good season in the AHL last year, and supposedly is dominating the Swedish Elite League.



I'm gonna say the Hawks made out in this deal.

 

[Ton]

Apparently Salak has no interest in pursuing a career in the North American game. We'll see if that changes at any point, probably a big reason why he was a "throw in" for this deal.



Frolik is not a LW, he is a RW. It's up in the air on whether or not he will be successful at center or LW.



Even if he is just a RW, maybe he'll have some chemistry with Bickell/Bolland. That could be a pretty damn sweet line.



Much more realistic that he plays on the 3rd line than with Kane and Toews like most are suggesting. I also doubt he plays with Kopecky and Hossa unless he can handle playing center, which so far in his career he has not excelled in that area.