Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel traded to Oakland Athletics for Addison Russell plus

[nwfisch]

Yeah Colorado will TOTALLY trade their first round pick last year for Shark.

Get off the drugs.

 

[2323]

Yeah Colorado will TOTALLY trade their first round pick last year for Shark.

Get off the drugs.

They might. I'm not saying they will but there would be several justifications for doing so.

Btw, if the Cubs are going to trade him, it needs to be for something big. The Cubs shouldn't be settling.

 

[corey]

Thoughts on keeping Jeff. Do not trade him and sign him to a 5yr 90m deal.

Draft Rondon or Nola

Try and move a young bat Lake or Soler for a good young SP


This might make them competitive in 2015 and a contender in 2016

Thoughts?

 

[brett05]

Thoughts on keeping Jeff. Do not trade him and sign him to a 5yr 90m deal.

Draft Rondon or Nola

Try and move a young bat Lake or Soler for a good young SP


This might make them competitive in 2015 and a contender in 2016

Thoughts?

Not going to get it done. $18 million a year is on the cheap the way he is pitching. And more so to stay with the Cubs without his NTC.

 

[2323]

Thoughts on keeping Jeff. Do not trade him and sign him to a 5yr 90m deal.

Draft Rondon or Nola

Try and move a young bat Lake or Soler for a good young SP


This might make them competitive in 2015 and a contender in 2016

Thoughts?

I'd look at trading Castro and or Rizzo for something big...maybe Something like Walker +. Seattle needs offense. Maybe they'll bite. Castro doesn't play defense well enough and Rizzo has too much Matt Murton in him.

It won't happen though. The FO hired their manager so that he could better coddle Castro. Also, they love Rizzo since he's their guy and Rizzo has followed Hoyer everywhere he has gone.

I like you're idea in general though.

 

[corey]

I'd look at trading Castro and or Rizzo for something big...maybe Something like Walker +. Seattle needs offense. Maybe they'll bite. Castro doesn't play defense well enough and Rizzo has too much Matt Murton in him.

It won't happen though. The FO hired their manager so that he could better coddle Castro. Also, they love Rizzo since he's their guy and Rizzo has followed Hoyer everywhere he has gone.

I like you're idea in general though.

Agree with you that Rizzo is probably more untradeable to the FO than anyone on the team. Hopefully they do trade Castro, that would boost clubhouse morale as well.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Why would trading the starting SS boost clubhouse morale?

 

[corey]

Why would trading the starting SS boost clubhouse morale?

Most players don't like playing with someone who puts in little effort and lacks hustle. He has gotten better about that, but still frustrating.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Thoughts on keeping Jeff. Do not trade him and sign him to a 5yr 90m deal.

Draft Rondon or Nola

Try and move a young bat Lake or Soler for a good young SP


This might make them competitive in 2015 and a contender in 2016

Thoughts?

So we should trade what little offense we have for more pitching, something we have a surplus of? That doesn't make any sense.

I'd look at trading Castro and or Rizzo for something big...maybe Something like Walker +. Seattle needs offense. Maybe they'll bite. Castro doesn't play defense well enough and Rizzo has too much Matt Murton in him.

It won't happen though. The FO hired their manager so that he could better coddle Castro. Also, they love Rizzo since he's their guy and Rizzo has followed Hoyer everywhere he has gone.

I like you're idea in general though.

You want to trade two of our only offensive pieces? That's taking even more steps backward. How are the Cubs supposed to build a winner if we trade our young, cheap talent?

Too much Matt Murton? Matt Murton was a really good player that was given the chance to play full time once. When he did, he was a really good player for a really cheap price.

Also, Rizzo has the highest OBP of all 1B in baseball right now. He is 4th in WAR. He walks just about as much as he K's. He's been a huge bright spot in a black hole of an offense. I don't see why you would trade him. He's also really cheap.

Agree with you that Rizzo is probably more untradeable to the FO than anyone on the team. Hopefully they do trade Castro, that would boost clubhouse morale as well.

You're just saying things. Things that make no sense.

Most players don't like playing with someone who puts in little effort and lacks hustle. He has gotten better about that, but still frustrating.

You don't know that they don't like him. Have you talked with any of them? Yes, it's frustrating seeing blunders. You being frustrated doesn't mean his teammates want him traded. That's a good example of non sequitur.

 

[2323]

So we should trade what little offense we have for more pitching, something we have a surplus of? That doesn't make any sense.


You want to trade two of our only offensive pieces? That's taking even more steps backward. How are the Cubs supposed to build a winner if we trade our young, cheap talent?

Too much Matt Murton? Matt Murton was a really good player that was given the chance to play full time once. When he did, he was a really good player for a really cheap price.

Also, Rizzo has the highest OBP of all 1B in baseball right now. He is 4th in WAR. He walks just about as much as he K's. He's been a huge bright spot in a black hole of an offense. I don't see why you would trade him. He's also really cheap.



You're just saying things. Things that make no sense.



You don't know that they don't like him. Have you talked with any of them? Yes, it's frustrating seeing blunders. You being frustrated doesn't mean his teammates want him traded. That's a good example of non sequitur.

Oh, you make me laugh so hard, Cpt. Oblivious.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Oh, you make me laugh so hard, Cpt. Oblivious.

Glad I can humor you.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Most players don't like playing with someone who puts in little effort and lacks hustle. He has gotten better about that, but still frustrating.

I doubt you have any idea what effort he puts in outside of what you see on TV. Is he pissing off Rizzo where Rizzo is gonna take his ball and go home? Where's the Cutler "don't care" pic? It should be posted right here.

 

[beckdawg]

I was giving potential trades some thought. If we accept the fact that they will ask for more than they did with Garza that gives us a starting point. Edwards was the centerpiece for Garza. Prior to the season MLB.com had him ranked 34 with a 60 rating. Baseball America had him 28th. Baseball Prospectus had him 81st. That gives you roughly a starting point of these guys if you assume the centerpiece will be a pitcher. I think we can safely remove Arizona, Houston, Minnesota, LA Dodgers, Atlanta, San Diego, NY Mets, White Sox, Cincinatti, Washington and San Fran as either being non-competitive or not needing Shark. That leaves the following teams

Baltimore: Dylan Bundy, Kevin Gausman, Hunter Harvey
Boston: Henry Owens, Allen Webster
Colorado: Jonathan Gray, Eddie Butler
Miami: Andrew Heaney
KC: Yordano Ventura, Miguel Almonte, Kyle Zimmer
Pittsburgh: Jameson Taillon, Tyler Glasnow
Seattle: Taijuan Walker, James Paxton,
Toronto: Aaron Sanchez, Marcus Stroman

From there, it's questionable if Seattle would jump in given that Paxton has performed well at the MLB level and they were reluctant to include Walker in Price talks. Jameson Taillon had tommy john in April. It's doubtful Miami would trade Heaney in a year when Jose Fernandez already went down and with Heaney being in AAA already. Yordano Ventura is already in KC's rotation. I'm not sure if Boston would throw in the towel or not but they are already 4 back in the WC and 10 in the division. Kevin Gausman has bounced between AAA and the MLB level due to injuries though he was shelled in his first start. He will get another shot saturday. Eddie Butler was similarly shelled today giving up 6 runs in 5 innings.

So, that realistically leaves 5 teams with the type of pitching prospect you'd expect. Those teams are Baltimore, Colorado, KC, Pittsburgh, and Toronto. KC, Pitt, and Tor are 15-17 in runs against. The O's are 20th and Colorado is 29th. So, arguably Colorado needs Shark the most followed by the O's. What's interesting is that sort of aligns with arguably the best pieces. Bundy, Gausman and Gray would likely be the top 3 players in no particular order.

Colorado seems unlikely to be a part of talks for Price because from my understanding they have some budget constraints. I believe this is where the talks of trading Cargo stem from. I'm sure that Colorado would prefer not to trade Gray. However, if they were willing that would allow them to add Shark and Butler who they've already called up to their rotation. Jordan Lyles, Jorge de la Rosa, and Brett Anderson all have mid 3 ERAs. Juan Nicasio is sitting at 4.68. Jhoulys Chacin is at 5.51. Tyler Chatwood is at 4.5. Franklin Morales is at 6.13. They also just drafted Kyle Freeland 8th. That would give them another arm to develop behind Shark and Butler. And given we already know the front office supposedly liked Gray to an extent, it feels like this could be a good fit all around.

Baltimore too seems unlikely to be part of talks for Price given that it would be in division. Luckily, Bundy will return prior to the deadline. He's scheduled to start june 15th. If he were for sure healthy and what he was prior to TJ surgery they have an arguably better set of players than Colorado. Similarly, if Bundy returns to form they could deal him in a package for Shark leaving them Gausman as a MLB ready player. I have Hunter Harvey listed in here because he's quickly climbed up rankings even though he's only in A. If the market for Shark is softer than it appears it will be, he could be a similar player to what Edwards was in the Garza deal.

Toronto has obviously been connected since prior to the season. The fact that it hasn't already happened leads me to believe it probably wont. On top of that, Aaron Sanchez has looked pretty shitty in AA. With them already having a bit of a cushion in the division lead and Stroman already at the MLB level, I'm not sure there's as much desperation there. They feel more like a suitor for Hammel.

KC and Pitt seem to be in similar boats. Both are small market teams with the better of their guys hurt(Zimmer and Taillon). Both have secondary guys who are worth consideration but not really ideal centerpieces as they are in A+(Tyler Glasnow/Miguel Almonte). KC has a bit of pressure on it considering Shields is a FA.

Ideally, Colorado would make a great offer for Shark. That would then leave Baltimore hunting and they would likely consider Hammel. They traded for him 2 years ago so they are familiar and he's playing as good if not better. Also, they worked out a trade for Feldman last year so there's a decent working relationship there between teams. Interestingly, Hammel is also a former Rockie. So, it seems like the runner(s) up for Shark will likely be in talks for Hammel. It's possible they could end up with Gray and parts for Shark and then Harvey and parts for Hammel. Boston could be a bit of a dark horse if they choose to go heavy for Shark. However, if they have a poor June they could be well out of it.

Anything less than that seems pretty weak to me. They've drafted heavy on depth the past 3 years in pitching as well as trading heavy on depth guys. It really feels like they need to go quality over quantity if they are going to deal shark.

 

[chibears55]

Giants showing strong interest in samardzija.
Should be interesting

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[chibears55]

@TheCCO: #Cubs : Giants Showing Interest in Jeff Samardzija, Cubs Reportedly Scouting Blue Jays Prospects bit.ly/1voFbwZ #MLB

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[dabynsky]

Levine was pretty quick to shoot down the Giants rumors, but they would be an interesting trade partner. Would assume that you are talking about Kyle Crick as a starting point which might actually make some sense for both sides. Crick is super talented and near major league ready. But he is not someone that the Giants could realistically plug into their pitching staff this year. That is a big difference from guys like Bradley, Stroman, etc.

 

[beckdawg]

Levine was pretty quick to shoot down the Giants rumors, but they would be an interesting trade partner. Would assume that you are talking about Kyle Crick as a starting point which might actually make some sense for both sides. Crick is super talented and near major league ready. But he is not someone that the Giants could realistically plug into their pitching staff this year. That is a big difference from guys like Bradley, Stroman, etc.

Crick I agree from a general value standpoint is interesting. What worries me about him is his control. He's averaged 5.6 BB/9 in the minors thus far. That above most else is what I value. Pitchers with great control and so so stuff can still be major league players. However, so many talented guys who couldn't locate have bust. That's why I'm hoping the Rockies get in this and are willing to part with Gray. He's the best of both worlds with 9.5 k/9 and 2.1 bb/9.

 

[dabynsky]

Crick I agree from a general value standpoint is interesting. What worries me about him is his control. He's averaged 5.6 BB/9 in the minors thus far. That above most else is what I value. Pitchers with great control and so so stuff can still be major league players. However, so many talented guys who couldn't locate have bust. That's why I'm hoping the Rockies get in this and are willing to part with Gray. He's the best of both worlds with 9.5 k/9 and 2.1 bb/9.

Great control can only get so far though as well. You need both to succeed in the major leagues. I am not jumping up and down with joy if the Cubs land Crick and a few other interesting guys for Samardzija. But he is the first arm that will be ready sometime next year that I can see the other team deal because I can't raise this simple question. Why don't they just try that guy in their rotation first?

 

[beckdawg]

Great control can only get so far though as well. You need both to succeed in the major leagues. I am not jumping up and down with joy if the Cubs land Crick and a few other interesting guys for Samardzija. But he is the first arm that will be ready sometime next year that I can see the other team deal because I can't raise this simple question. Why don't they just try that guy in their rotation first?

Well that comes with the obvious question as to why they'd deal the guy. Just as an aside, if you compare the situations of the Giants and Rockies the Giants are already in first place. Their starter era is 3.51. The rockies by contrast have a team starter era of 4.77. Colorado is 2 back in the wild card. I think it's pretty fair to wonder what the giants motivation here is in trading a top 50 prospect for a relatively minor upgrade overall. Lincecum and Vogelsong would clearly be replaceable but if we assume they are going to make the playoffs, they already have 3 quality starters for playoff series in Cain, Hudson, and Bumgardner and both Lincecum and Vogelsong have played well in the playoffs if memory serves last time the Giants made a title run.

I suppose their motivation doesn't particularly matter if you think Crick is the goods even if they may or may not. However, a team like the rockies being perhaps a bit more desperate to consider trading a Gray level prospects makes sense. They clearly need the pitching badly to make a run. In their case, Butler has just hit the majors and while he got shelled in his first outing they obviously hope to get more out of him. Tyler Matzek a former high round pick finally hit the majors and pitched good in his first start. Jordan Lyles has been a decent starter for them as well. However, most of their other regulars have been 4+ ERA. And while Brett Anderson has only made two starts due to a finger injury, he should return shortly. Even when everyone is healthy they don't have "the guy" at the top.

Hypothetically, if they traded for Shark, you would have him, Brett Anderson(26), Jordan Lyles(23), Butler(23), Matzek(23), Tyler Chatwood(24) as MLB ready or pretty close in the case of Butler and Matzek. They also drafted Kyle Freeland as a college arm with the 8th pick. They also have Jhoulys Chacin as an Arb. 3 player. Obviously you can make the case for them being patient with Gray. I mean he's not far away right? The problem is that Cargo and Tulow are arguably at their peaks right now. I read something about the Indians in the pre-moneyball times having a database that calculated a players peak year at 29 typically. It was an interesting read that you can view here if you want. Anyways, Tulow is 29 this year. Cargo is 28.

So, while Gray looks every bit the part of a top of the rotation starter, can they honestly afford to wait maybe 2 years for him to be a full time starter? They along with the O's are really the only team with a pitching prospect who has TOR potential where I feel it makes sense for them to go for it. In the case of the Rockies, it makes a lot of sense if you think Shark can get you to the playoffs. They have numerous younger options for 4/5th starters and enough highly thought of young arms that the loss of Gray wouldn't really kill you.

 

[WindyCity]

Baltimore has a ton of arms that interest me.

Gausman and Harvey especially.

Bundy is to much boom or bust with his size and arm injury.