Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel traded to Oakland Athletics for Addison Russell plus

[Captain Obvious]

max rejected 26 million per

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Okay. And he's a better pitcher than Shark. Where are you going with this?

 

[beckdawg]

This is a bit off topic but given someone brought it up, I don't think it's crazy to trade Arrieta. While he's pitching well, he's always had the stuff to pitch well. His flaw has always been his control. That's been borderline ok at 2.93 bb/9. His strand rate is pretty high at 81.8% and his HR/FB is pretty low at 3.4%. I'm not saying you just give him up. But if some team is willing to give you a quality player you need to listen. I've bought this up in the IST's but his walks are really limiting his value because in his 8 starts he's averaging 5.1 IP. That really eats into your bullpen.

Again, I'm not saying you trade all these guys but you should at least listen to offers. If a team like Pittsburgh who needs a cost controlled player is willing to give up someone with better potential then hey why not.

 

[brett05]

Its a given to listen....non news item

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[chibears55]

Just heard on sports talk chi that samardzija rejected the 5 yrs 85 mil offer.. he good as gone now

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[dabynsky]

Just heard on sports talk chi that samardzija rejected the 5 yrs 85 mil offer.. he good as gone now

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He wants more than Homer Bailey received. So yes Samardzija is gone.

 

[DewsSox79]

He wants more than Homer Bailey received. So yes Samardzija is gone.

ugh. let him go. to pay him that much hoping he is the next max scherzer is stupid. trade him and trade him sooner than later.


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[zack54attack]

ugh. let him go. to pay him that much hoping he is the next max scherzer is stupid. trade him and trade him sooner than later.


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Bingo.

If he rejects that, there's no way I'm giving him the money he wants.

 

[chibears55]

He wants more than Homer Bailey received. So yes Samardzija is gone.

which at 6/105 he is over paid with a 4.30 ERA and just under 6 IP on AVG.



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[X]

Yeah -- as Dews and Dabs and others have said, the deal that was proposed to him is just about 'right'. I can see arguments made for $5M on either side of $85M...but if the response was a flat 'no' with no counter-offer, time to sell. He's really, really not an ace, despite what some people want to make him out to be.

 

[JZsportsfan]

Yeah he is definitely going to be shipped out now. I think what the Cubs offered him is pretty fair. He has always looked like an ace at times, but has issues with consistency.

 

[WC Jerome]

I guess the word is that the Royals have their eyes on him right now. Either way, I think he will be gone pretty soon.

 

[dabynsky]

I guess the word is that the Royals have their eyes on him right now. Either way, I think he will be gone pretty soon.

It will happen by July 31st, but I think the Cubs will slowplay to build the market like they did last year. July 2nd is when bonus pool money can be traded, and so that might be the catalyst to getting a Hammel deal done (guessing he goes first) just like Feldman last year. Shark deal goes down a day or two from the deadline to extract maximum value. But who knows with the way my predictions work out he is probably dealt tomorrow.

 

[brett05]

With Hammel and Shark gone what kind of pitching is there for this season and next? What keeps someone coming to the ballpark?

 

[dabynsky]

With Hammel and Shark gone what kind of pitching is there for this season and next?

One thing this FO/coaching staff has shown that is undebatable at this point given the past three years is an ability to find undervalued pitching and develop it. They have as everyone is quick to point out traded 40% of the starting two years in a row and ended up with similar production each year. The Cubs internal options are a lot better this year for replacing, and I really would like to get a look at Wada before the end of the season personally. That said the free agent market is loaded with pitching compared to recent years right now with Scherzer, Shields, Masterson, Lester, and more poised to hit the market. Not sure if the Cubs will land any of them, but they have cash to play with next year with somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-60 million to play with.

What keeps someone coming to the ballpark?

It is going to be ugly like it has been the previous couple of years post deadline. I don't expect anything beyond sinking like a rock after August 1st. Alcantara is probably the one position prospect that gets called up (if any do). So a little excitement there, but the cookies are next year with Baez/Bryant for sure and maybe a FA or two.

 

[CSF77]

Jeff Samardzija has reportedly rejected an $85 million contract offer from the Cubs, which may prompt the team to move the right-hander at the non-waiver Trade Deadline.

Multiple media outlets reported Wednesday that Samardzija, 29, had turned down the latest offer. The Cubs have had discussions about an extension with the right-hander since last year.

Scouts have been following Samardzija closely this season, and the Blue Jays had two representatives in Miami on Tuesday night for his last start.

Samardzija is the only pitcher in baseball to make at least 12 starts this year and only have two wins despite a sub-3.00 ERA. Is he immune to the speculation and rumors?

"Numb would be a good word," Samardzija said Tuesday. "I'm just out doing my job. I feel good. I'm really excited, compared to these last two years of starting. I feel really good where I'm at with my routine and my arm feels great. ... I'm going to keep doing my job and I'm not too worried about that stuff -- it'll take care of itself."

Samardzija has one more year of arbitration left and will be a free agent after the 2015 season. He told his agent he did not want to be distracted by contract talk until something had been finalized.

Neither Samardzija's agent nor Cubs president of baseball operations Theo Epstein would comment on the report or their discussions.

According to reports, Samardzija is rumored to be looking for a contract in the $100 million-plus range, which is where starting pitchers such as St. Louis' Adam Wainwright ($97.5 million) and Cincinnati's Homer Bailey ($105 million) sit.

This is Samardzija's third season as a full-time starter, and it's his best, despite a 2-6 record. He would appear to be the type of pitcher the Cubs want to move forward with in their rotation, but Epstein has been intent on rebuilding the farm system and has traded two starting pitchers each of the past two seasons, including Matt Garza and Scott Feldman last year. Jason Hammel and Jake Arrieta also have reportedly drawn interest from teams looking for starting pitching.

"We have a couple guys on the trading block, but that's what comes with being quality starters or being able to pitch at the level some of the guys can," said Arrieta after beating the Marlins on Wednesday in Miami. "I look forward to having Jason and Jeff as teammates as long as possible. Obviously, I'd like them both to stay here. Theo and Jed [Hoyer, general manager] will do everything in their power to put the best team on the field, whether it's keeping those guys or swapping them for prospects who they feel can be here for a long time.

"It's really not something we need to think about. You have to continue to go day to day and see what happens. I'd love to see those guys stick around."

Carrie Muskat is a reporter for MLB.com. She writes a blog, Muskat Ramblings, and you can follow her on Twitter @CarrieMuskat. Alex Smith is an associate reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

 

[WC Jerome]

With Hammel and Shark gone what kind of pitching is there for this season and next? What keeps someone coming to the ballpark?

They better not let Hammel get away!!

 

[CSF77]

We are talking about 15 mil here.

Wainwright:
2010: 4.5375 mil 28 yo
2011: 6.687 mil 29 yo
2012: 9 mil 30 yo
2013: 12 mil 31 yo
2014-18: 19.5 mil 32-36 YO.

Shark:
2013 2.64 mil 27 yo
2014 5.345 mil 29 yo
2015 last year of arb 30 YO
2016 F/A 31 YO

I would use that as a guideline.

2015 9 mil 30 YO
2016 12 mil 31 YO
2017 18 mil 32 YO
2018 19 mil 33 YO
2020 20 mil 34 YO
2021 20 mil 35 YO

6 year 97 mil deal.

 

[Parade_Rain]

What keeps someone coming to the ballpark?

Wrigley Field. Duh.

 

[CSF77]

They better not let Hammel get away!!

I believe right now Arrieta is a better pitcher than Hammel. Hammel is a 4. He is pitching better than he ever has.

Arrieta was concidered better but never settled in. Right now he is becoming very dominate. Could end up the ace when everything settles.

 

[brett05]

One thing this FO/coaching staff has shown that is undebatable at this point given the past three years is an ability to find undervalued pitching and develop it. They have as everyone is quick to point out traded 40% of the starting two years in a row and ended up with similar production each year. The Cubs internal options are a lot better this year for replacing, and I really would like to get a look at Wada before the end of the season personally. That said the free agent market is loaded with pitching compared to recent years right now with Scherzer, Shields, Masterson, Lester, and more poised to hit the market. Not sure if the Cubs will land any of them, but they have cash to play with next year with somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-60 million to play with.

It is going to be ugly like it has been the previous couple of years post deadline. I don't expect anything beyond sinking like a rock after August 1st. Alcantara is probably the one position prospect that gets called up (if any do). So a little excitement there, but the cookies are next year with Baez/Bryant for sure and maybe a FA or two.

You really think the Cubs are going to pursue multiple 20+ million per year pitchers?