Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel traded to Oakland Athletics for Addison Russell plus

[beckdawg]

Look there is no way we are going to agree on this because you fail to recognize the shift going on in the game. It is fair easier to find guys that can handle innings and the Cubs have shown the ability to piece together a starting staff. I don't see what flaws are in Russell's game. If you care to elaborate I would love to hear what problems there are with his game that results him in being a weak top 5 prospect. The only thing you have given is that he is surplus but surplus talent is never a bad thing.

Not being able to pitch from SS might be one ... i joke i joke.

 

[chibears55]

Ill take 29 30 pitcher over a surplus at ss all the time

I don't think russell is all that. Admit I can be wrong but to me he's one if the weakest top five specs as I see it.

Pitching trumps hitting by quite a lot

Anyone would take 2 top 30 pitching, problem is nobody offering them up..

 

[chibears55]

Gulp gulp

What now castro not good enough for a TOR pitcher

 

[dabynsky]

Not being able to pitch from SS might be one ... i joke i joke.

Yes that is literally the only fault in Addison Russell anyone has given. Whereas those top 30 pitching prospects are guys like Aaron Sanchez and Kyle Crick which have clear faults that we can identify.

 

[beckdawg]

I mean it might be a bold strategy by the cubs to only employ an 8 man game day roster and start pitching from SS or 2B. They would save so much money on pitching.

 

[CSF77]

There has been f/a pitching every year on the market.

BTW pretty pissed the gave the nod to Rusin. Fucking lame and looks like they are trying to tank another season. Wada deserved it more and has a better chance to net a better WAR than Rusin. I believe that this also singles that Alcantara etc will be held back to stall their clocks.

Every thing relates here. Team starts to push .500 and they wreck it early and plug in shit to back fill.

But relating to next year. They will need 2 arms I'll bet. If they promoted Hendricks it would have been better so they could judge it better vs year 3 of Rusin.

Looking at the market you have Kendrick and Liriano. Both should be evaluated. Top end Shields and Lester.

Not wouldn't that be something. They shed contract and throw down Shields and Lester for 1/2. I'm guessing they would have enough payroll flexibility to do it.

 

[CSF77]

But in all seriousness. I'm guessing they are plugging the pitcher into 1 slot and Rusin into the other. Rusin has been and will again be a place holder. The return I believe will be evaluated for long term.

I believe they are going to make a big play this offseason for a legit ace. Hendricks will only be viewed if the return fails this year.

 

[brett05]

Since always. Anyone on the 40 man roster has a major league salary. Additionally, anyone who was signed to a major league salary when signed has one which is the case for Soler and Conception(was DFA'd but still gets his money). As for trades, whenever you talking about "cash" in a trade where do you think that money comes from? It's generally not $14 mil like Soriano's trade but it happens all the time. MLB contracts are full guaranteed and the only way to move certain players because you pay part of their salary that way to trade them.

I could literally go into a 10 page discussion on this if you really care but how about you just trust me here? Additionally, that's not like bob's personal website. The site I linked to is affiliated with baseball prospectus which is one of the premier scouting sites. Their numbers are generally very accurate.

Its very recent and there are credible sites to show this. It based on the 25 on the roster not the dead money nor the other 15.

 

[brett05]

Look there is no way we are going to agree on this because you fail to recognize the shift going on in the game. It is fair easier to find guys that can handle innings and the Cubs have shown the ability to piece together a starting staff. I don't see what flaws are in Russell's game. If you care to elaborate I would love to hear what problems there are with his game that results him in being a weak top 5 prospect. The only thing you have given is that he is surplus but surplus talent is never a bad thing.

Oh boy. Now you too using words you can't defend aka never?

You need to believe that it has changed because otherwise its foolishness what is happening.

 

[brett05]

Anyone would take 2 top 30 pitching, problem is nobody offering them up..

Uhm...nvm

 

[brett05]

What now castro not good enough for a TOR pitcher

Ding

 

[dabynsky]

Oh boy. Now you too using words you can't defend aka never?

You need to believe that it has changed because otherwise its foolishness what is happening.

Do we need to derail this thread with the various empirical evidence showing the drastic decline in offense? How about we keep this simple then and if we want to discuss the changing nature of the game in a new thread? Answer this very simple question then what are the weaknesses in Addison Russell's game that make him a "weak" top 5 prospect?

 

[brett05]

Do we need to derail this thread with the various empirical evidence showing the drastic decline in offense? How about we keep this simple then and if we want to discuss the changing nature of the game in a new thread? Answer this very simple question then what are the weaknesses in Addison Russell's game that make him a "weak" top 5 prospect?

Compare him to other top fives say in the past twenty years

 

[dabynsky]

Compare him to other top fives say in the past twenty years

Okay so where does he not stack up to other top fives in the past twenty years?

 

[brett05]

Okay so where does he not stack up to other top fives in the past twenty years?

Re-read when I first mention this

 

[chibears55]

Brett has become the new kb/pat
Don't care for or like the cubs but discredit and argue about everything they do just to provoke and antagonize cubs fans on here

 

[dabynsky]

Re-read when I first mention this

Give me a link to it because the only things I have read unless I missed something is you saying that he is a weak top 5, that pitching is better, and that he is redundant.

 

[brett05]

I admit I don't like them. I do like baseball. Try a cubs only site if u can't handle things harder than kool aid

 

[brett05]

Give me a link to it because the only things I have read unless I missed something is you saying that he is a weak top 5, that pitching is better, and that he is redundant.

Ill look tomorrow for it if u wish

 

[dabynsky]

Ill look tomorrow for it if u wish

Either that or you could just tell me what is wrong with Addison Russell the player because again the only faults I have seen from anyone, and I mean anyone, is that he is a) not a pitcher and/or b) he plays the same position as other talented player/prospects in Cubs organization.