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For weeks now, the baseball world has been waiting for the Cubs to line up trades for Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel. Last night, Theo Epstein & Co. killed two birds with one stone and packaged both together in a deal with the A’s. In return for two of the most talked about pitchers on the trade block, the Cubs received top prospect Addison Russell, outfield prospect Billy McKinney, and pitcher Dan Straily. Here’s a look at some of the reactions to the blockbuster deal.

MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes (on Twitter) says the Cubs are taking an interesting approach by stockpiling top position player prospects and putting off acquiring pitching. Dierkes can see Straily providing Travis Wood-like value for the Cubs since teams pay big money for innings from a No. 4 type (link). Meanwhile, the deal makes the rest of the trade season kind of anticlimactic for Cub fans after their two best trade chips were moved on the Fourth of July (link).
Before pulling the trigger on the deal with the Cubs, the A’s discussed a swap involving Russell with the Rays for David Price, writes Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports. However, nothing ever materialized on that front.
The Yankees exchanged proposals with the Cubs on both Samardzija and Hammel, but could not compete with Russell’s inclusion, tweets FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal.
In a separate tweet, Rosenthal reports the A’s don’t intend to flip Hammel because they will need him to win the AL West.
ESPN’s Keith Law writes in an Insider piece (subscription required) the A’s and Cubs both significantly impacted their franchise, albeit with different timelines in mind.
The early word is the Cubs are not looking to make any moves from their shortstop stockpile as the Mets have nothing brewing with Chicago and the Yankees have checked but to no avail, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (Twitter links).
Moneyball isn’t about on-base percentage or any one statistic, it’s about exploiting what is over- or under-valued and prospects are over-valued at present, writes Sherman. However, he notes (link) Javier Baez and Russell are big guys who might not stay at shortstop, so Starlin Castro may still be the Cubs’ long-term guy.
The A’s may have made themselves the favorites for 2014, but the Cubs ultimately may have won the deal, writes CBSSports.com’s Jon Heyman. “He’s Barry Larkin with power,” one rival baseball executive said of Russell.
The loss of Russell, in particular, could end up haunting the A’s, whose current shortstop Jed Lowrie is a free agent after this season, but GM Billy Beane has never been afraid to take an unconventional route, writes Rosenthal.
Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle echoes Rosenthal and adds the trade may point towards an extension for Lowrie and this wouldn’t be a bad time to do it.
The trade demonstrates Beane’s burning desire to win now and now could be his only window for winning a World Series, according to MLB.com’s Jane Lee.
Peter Gammons of GammonsDaily.com calls this trade fascinating because of the guts it took to swing such a deal between two men (Epstein and Beane) who defy convention for the way the game of baseball changes.
The Cubs signed Hammel to a one-year, $6MM deal in late January and in July he has netted them one of the five best prospects in baseball, notes Passan (via Twitter).
Fangraphs’ Dave Cameron (via Twitter) is usually against trading great young talent, but likes the trade for the A’s since present wins have so much value to them right now. Of course, he likes the swap from the Cubs‘ perspective, too.
Mike Petriello of Fangraphs writes the trade is a win-win for both the A’s and Cubs, but the real winner could be the Rays, who just saw two of the top available starting pitchers dealt while only one contender benefited increasing the demand for Price.
Addison Russell (Twitter link) is excited to be joining forces with Kris Bryant.
Billy McKinney called the A’s an “amazing and classy organization” and is “excited to start and (sic) new chapter in the Cubs organization” (Twitter links).
Dan Straily also tweeted his appreciation of the A’s organization, but is looking forward to beginning the next chapter of his career with the Cubs (Twitter links).
 

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Either that or you could just tell me what is wrong with Addison Russell the player because again the only faults I have seen from anyone, and I mean anyone, is that he is a) not a pitcher and/or b) he plays the same position as other talented player/prospects in Cubs organization.

He was ranked 11. Now he is a top 5.

Interesting that they believe both Russell and Baez my be moved off SS now. Size issue. Are we talking Russell 3B, Castro SS, Baez 2B Bryant RF, Alcantara CF now?
 

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Reading poster opinions is fun and all but we need interjection from people who get paid to have a opinion about it.

If puts things in perspective and moves away from agenda a bot.
 

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He was ranked 11. Now he is a top 5.

Interesting that they believe both Russell and Baez my be moved off SS now. Size issue. Are we talking Russell 3B, Castro SS, Baez 2B Bryant RF, Alcantara CF now?
What size issue could Russell possibly have to be moved off of SS? He's 6'/195. Castro is 6'/190...according to baseball reference.
 

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What size issue could Russell possibly have to be moved off of SS? He's 6'/195. Castro is 6'/190...according to baseball reference.

The way they are built. Russell dropped by teams in the draft because he wasn't muscle. He was flabby and his senior year he got his body right which made them think he could now stay at short. He is not a real quick guy. He has quick reActions and a good arm. He also is built like a running back. He has a thick lower body. He has great wrist quickness which allows for good power. He also has some footwork problems. He doesn't have this huge range. He has the tools to be a real good ss defender. Not as good as some may think but well above average but he is only 20 so if his body fills out more he may has to move to third or second. It's the same concerns with Baez but Baez bat can allow him to play anywhere.


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Its very recent and there are credible sites to show this. It based on the 25 on the roster not the dead money nor the other 15.

Believe what you want. This isn't a cubs affiliated site so being "bamboozled" by them would have exactly no point. They figure every team the same way which means even if your suggestion is correct that it's just a lessor factor of that for every single team. Additionally, this site follows the same structure with anyone on the 40 man roster appearing.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHC/2014-payroll-salaries.shtml

The numbers don't match 100% but they actually recommend cot's on the page itself. As for other sites, if you got a better one I'm all ears but I highly doubt it because I actually give a shit about this type of stuff.

There is
http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-cubs/payroll/

Which does the same way though I find it harder to follow than cot's and b-ref. Anyways, they have to play all of those players on the 40 man roster regardless of your suggestion that it doesn't count. And that dead money gets paid from some where. It's not just gone. So, where are you suggesting it comes from because that's less money the team has to spend which is my point. Notice to that the one year the cubs didn't have dead money from either Zambrano($13 mil in 2012 IIRC), or Soriano($14 mil in 2014) is the one year they spent ~$40 mil in FA with the other two years being substantially less.
 

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The way they are built. Russell dropped by teams in the draft because he wasn't muscle. He was flabby and his senior year he got his body right which made them think he could now stay at short. He is not a real quick guy. He has quick reActions and a good arm. He also is built like a running back. He has a thick lower body. He has great wrist quickness which allows for good power. He also has some footwork problems. He doesn't have this huge range. He has the tools to be a real good ss defender. Not as good as some may think but well above average but he is only 20 so if his body fills out more he may has to move to third or second. It's the same concerns with Baez but Baez bat can allow him to play anywhere.

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Thanks. Certainly not something that translated well from a tweet. :D
 

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Either that or you could just tell me what is wrong with Addison Russell the player because again the only faults I have seen from anyone, and I mean anyone, is that he is a) not a pitcher and/or b) he plays the same position as other talented player/prospects in Cubs organization.
He's been bouncing and to me seems injury prone. Im not saying he isn't a solid player. I think the Cubs coukd have gotten more and did not have to trade Shark at that moment
 

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Beck...I've posted it a year or two ago that does it correctly when the talk was buying a championship andvthe proof that the Marlins did just that.

We just disagree
 

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We just disagree

On what? The figures are what they are. I'm not making stuff up here. Those are the salaries those players have/had. I quite frankly don't know what you're trying to argue here. The cubs gave the Yankees money in the Soriano deal. We know this as a fact because it was reported. They have to pull that money from some where in their budget. Edwin Jackson got a 4 year $52 mil contract. We know this because it was reported and so on and so forth. If you're trying to argue the team is just cheap that's not really the point. Maybe they were and maybe they aren't. Based on those numbers we know just about what players have made and at what level they spent. And similarly we know how much is committed to 2015's payroll and how far that is off the ~$110 mil range they have spent.

Is the $50 mil figure I've cited as what they will have to spend a to the dollar amount? Of course not because the whole thing estimates arbitration which even teams don't have a 100% accurate view on since the player could get their figure or they could meet in the middle with a contract. However, that doesn't factor in their supposed ability to roll money that wasn't spent in 2014 into 2015. It also doesn't figure in any increase they get out of the WGN TV contract.

So, as an estimate it's pretty fucking good.
 

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Budget for the mlb roster is different than org budget
 

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Budget for the mlb roster is different than org budget

I disagree with your definition or "roster" but that doesn't really matter. Even if your suggestion is those numbers are "organizational" budget they have $50 mil less in expenses than they did the previous year and they aren't spending $50 mil more on IFA(wont even spend their slots worth), draft(budget isn't even that big) and you have to assume scouting and various other things like coaches salary is similar. So, unless you're suggestion is they are just going to eat that profit I'm not sure what you're argument is here. They have more money to spend in FA yes?
 

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He's been bouncing and to me seems injury prone. Im not saying he isn't a solid player. I think the Cubs coukd have gotten more and did not have to trade Shark at that moment

Bouncing what do you mean by that? Injury concerns fine that is the first legitimate problem listed with him. But as far as I can find out he has been hurt this year only. So again the flaws isn't anything with his game and if he stays healthy is a potential impact guy.
 

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Bouncing what do you mean by that? Injury concerns fine that is the first legitimate problem listed with him. But as far as I can find out he has been hurt this year only. So again the flaws isn't anything with his game and if he stays healthy is a potential impact guy.
Never said otherwise
 

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Is Kris Bryant "bouncey" then? Because, here's what happened. He was drafted in 2012. Like most 18 year olds he started in rookie league where in 26 games he hit his way to a promotion to A-(.415 BA). In 13 games in A- he hit .340 and earned a promotion to A where he finished the 2012 season. In 2013, he started in A+ where he spent the entire A+ season and was promoted to AAA on August 31st last year after the A+ season ended because as a top prospect they wanted to get him more at bats. I'm not entirely sure why they went with AAA over AA. However, I believe both AA and AAA seasons run about a month longer than A+ hence why he was promoted. He then played in the AFL(AA level roughly). In 2014, he started the year in AA and was hurt early. After he returned from the injury they started him back in A+ and he was promoted mid June.

As for the AAA to AA "demotion," it was expected because how many 19 year olds do you see in AAA? As for the AA to A+ "demotion" you typically will see players returning from injuries start at a lessor level to get their feet under them. That's why Soler has been playing in Mesa(R) despite being AA and possibly AAA ready. As for the rest, it's all rapid promotion which is generally viewed as a good thing.
 

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