Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel traded to Oakland Athletics for Addison Russell plus

[Jntg4]

That's not the way things work. Once you trade both of those players, you have zero veteran leadership on the team. They will likely be there when the first wave comes up (Baez, Bryant, Alcantara). As for Baez, thanks for the strawman. I didn't suggest they trade him.

Plus if you trade away every MLer we have that is worth something, you never reach that point of being good... they are both signed for a while, neither of them is going anywhere.

 

[Jntg4]

Supposedly Valbuena was almost in the deal as well
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/rosenthals-latest-tulo-dodgers-valbuena-peavy-sox.html

Wondering what else we could have gotten (probably not much, given #1 and #2 prospects already included and the #2 not being anything really special relative to the top of our farm)

 

[beckdawg]

Supposedly Valbuena was almost in the deal as well
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/rosenthals-latest-tulo-dodgers-valbuena-peavy-sox.html

Wondering what else we could have gotten (probably not much, given #1 and #2 prospects already included and the #2 not being anything really special relative to the top of our farm)

Might have just been the A's saying we have to have them and the cubs saying no and the A's gave up. The only other change you could really have would be someone better than Straily but realistically I'm not sure what else you'd get.

 

[2323]

That's not the way things work. Once you trade both of those players, you have zero veteran leadership on the team. They will likely be there when the first wave comes up (Baez, Bryant, Alcantara). As for Baez, thanks for the strawman. I didn't suggest they trade him.

Who is the veteran leadership you're talking about? Please tell me it's not Rizzo and Castro--especially Castro.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Who is the veteran leadership you're talking about? Please tell me it's not Rizzo and Castro--especially Castro.

Castro is in his 5th year, how is he not a veteran?

 

[2323]

Plus if you trade away every MLer we have that is worth something, you never reach that point of being good... they are both signed for a while, neither of them is going anywhere.

I don't doubt they'll keep Rizzo. He's the Theo-Jed love child. Theo was probably considering ways to get Rizzo on the Cubs 5 minutes after he was hired. Rizzo is Theo's and Jed's offspring after all. In a world where no one else is off limits, this kind of virtual nepotism trumps all.

And how many managers will have to be fired and hired for Castro to be a professional. He sucks at short stop. You're lucky if he hits .300 even though OBP is now sren to be more important. And they're running out of positions for him when they finally realize what he is. But by then the FO will be left holding the bag but the rest off the team will be stuck with a manager who was selected with Castro in mind.

If there was anyone that should have been traded, it was these two- not Shark.

These guys are Matt Murton and Jerome Walton 1.1.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I don't doubt they'll keep Rizzo. He's the Theo-Jed love child. Theo was probably considering ways to get Rizzo on the Cubs 5 minutes after he was hired. Rizzo is Theo's and Jed's offspring after all. In a world where no one else is off limits, this kind of virtual nepotism trumps all.

And how many managers will have to be fired and hired for Castro to be a professional. He sucks at short stop. You're lucky if he hits .300 even though OBP is now sren to be more important. And they're running out of positions for him when they finally realize what he is. But by then the FO will be left holding the bag but the rest off the team will be stuck with a manager who was selected with Castro in mind.

If there was anyone that should have been traded, it was these two- not Shark.

You sir, are a moron.

 

[2323]

You sir, are a moron.

Ha ha. There's always someone who says stupid stuff like this when you talk about taking away their teddy bears.

Don't worry, little boy. I'm sure Theo and Jed have enough love making magic left to find you replacements.

 

[brett05]

Castro is in his 5th year, how is he not a veteran?

Its more than tenure

 

[Parade_Rain]

Its more than tenure

Bwahahahahaha!

 

[brett05]

Bwahahahahaha!

Ok....??????

 

[2323]

Castro is in his 5th year, how is he not a veteran?

That sentence was all of 8 words. I can see why it would be easy for you to overlook the reference to "leadership" and focus exclusively on the " veteran" part. Furthermore, not long ago I was referencing how managers are being fired and hired with him being more if a professional in mind. Apparently it was lost on you that being a professional and a veteran aren't necessarily the same thing.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Are you off to see the wizard?

 

[WindyCity]

Rizzo is a building block and a long term leader, he rebounded from a bad year with his best as a pro and he seems to go about his business like a pro.

Castro I am not sold on. He has had off field issues, he has been known to loaf on the field and while very talented he may be most valuable in a trade. He is not an untouchable for me.

 

[beckdawg]

Rizzo is a building block and a long term leader, he rebounded from a bad year with his best as a pro and he seems to go about his business like a pro.

Castro I am not sold on. He has had off field issues, he has been known to loaf on the field and while very talented he may be most valuable in a trade. He is not an untouchable for me.

I think the best way to put it is this. Castro is one of the best players at SS in the league. However, the team that wins the world series rarely is the best collection of overall talent. It's about how all the pieces on that team fit together. Additionally, for me personally I'm never going to put an untouchable label on anyone who's not even the best player at his position. I love Rizzo and that arguably includes him.

I think the disconnect comes from people who want to trade him and those who don't in that those who don't seem to think those who do just want to sell him for whatever you can get. I mean let's be blunt here if the Dodgers called and offered Kershaw everyone here is taking that deal or you're a fool. It's entirely possible that the offers out there aren't worth Castro's value. If that's the case, you don't trade him. This was the same argument I made about Shark when people were talking about Aaron Sanchez and some 10+ org. prospect being the return. At that point I didn't see the value in trading him because even if Sanchez works out you're just replacing Shark and the chances of everything going right aren't high.

As for what's the appropriate value for Castro, I think you're talking a better pitcher than Shark. If Russell + stuff gets you Shark and Hammel then logistically Castro + stuff should get you a better return. If the Mets want Castro you likely start the conversation with Matt Harvey and then probably negotiate down to Zack Wheeler and Noah Syndergaard. Perhaps you can't get both but that's where my value on Castro would be. Wheeler's probably more of a #2 potential with Noah being obviously a #1. At that price, I'd consider trading Castro. However, I'm not trading him for Aaron Sanchez just as I wouldn't have traded Shark for him.

 

[SilenceS]

I think the best way to put it is this. Castro is one of the best players at SS in the league. However, the team that wins the world series rarely is the best collection of overall talent. It's about how all the pieces on that team fit together. Additionally, for me personally I'm never going to put an untouchable label on anyone who's not even the best player at his position. I love Rizzo and that arguably includes him.

I think the disconnect comes from people who want to trade him and those who don't in that those who don't seem to think those who do just want to sell him for whatever you can get. I mean let's be blunt here if the Dodgers called and offered Kershaw everyone here is taking that deal or you're a fool. It's entirely possible that the offers out there aren't worth Castro's value. If that's the case, you don't trade him. This was the same argument I made about Shark when people were talking about Aaron Sanchez and some 10+ org. prospect being the return. At that point I didn't see the value in trading him because even if Sanchez works out you're just replacing Shark and the chances of everything going right aren't high.

As for what's the appropriate value for Castro, I think you're talking a better pitcher than Shark. If Russell + stuff gets you Shark and Hammel then logistically Castro + stuff should get you a better return. If the Mets want Castro you likely start the conversation with Matt Harvey and then probably negotiate down to Zack Wheeler and Noah Syndergaard. Perhaps you can't get both but that's where my value on Castro would be. Wheeler's probably more of a #2 potential with Noah being obviously a #1. At that price, I'd consider trading Castro. However, I'm not trading him for Aaron Sanchez just as I wouldn't have traded Shark for him.

I agree

 

[2323]

I think the best way to put it is this. Castro is one of the best players at SS in the league. However, the team that wins the world series rarely is the best collection of overall talent. It's about how all the pieces on that team fit together. Additionally, for me personally I'm never going to put an untouchable label on anyone who's not even the best player at his position. I love Rizzo and that arguably includes him.

I think the disconnect comes from people who want to trade him and those who don't in that those who don't seem to think those who do just want to sell him for whatever you can get. I mean let's be blunt here if the Dodgers called and offered Kershaw everyone here is taking that deal or you're a fool. It's entirely possible that the offers out there aren't worth Castro's value. If that's the case, you don't trade him. This was the same argument I made about Shark when people were talking about Aaron Sanchez and some 10+ org. prospect being the return. At that point I didn't see the value in trading him because even if Sanchez works out you're just replacing Shark and the chances of everything going right aren't high.

As for what's the appropriate value for Castro, I think you're talking a better pitcher than Shark. If Russell + stuff gets you Shark and Hammel then logistically Castro + stuff should get you a better return. If the Mets want Castro you likely start the conversation with Matt Harvey and then probably negotiate down to Zack Wheeler and Noah Syndergaard. Perhaps you can't get both but that's where my value on Castro would be. Wheeler's probably more of a #2 potential with Noah being obviously a #1. At that price, I'd consider trading Castro. However, I'm not trading him for Aaron Sanchez just as I wouldn't have traded Shark for him.

I think you're over esteeming Castro. I wouldn't give up Syndergaard if I'm the Mets. Castro isn't that kind of a player. The problem with Castro that many here routinely fail to see is that SS is a position where defense is important and probably more important than offense. It's not really about simply being "the best hitter" at SS. He hits for average but his OBP isn't that great typically. The best position to maximize Castro is 2B. He doesn't have enough power to play a corner position and he's not suited to play CF. But there are a lot of offensively challenged teams who would probably give up something good for him. The question becomes when and for what.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

I think you're over esteeming Castro. I wouldn't give up Syndergaard if I'm the Mets. Castro isn't that kind of a player. The problem with Castro that many here routinely fail to see is that SS is a position where defense is important and probably more important than offense. It's not really about simply being "the best hitter" at SS. He hits for average but his OBP isn't that great typically. The best position to maximize Castro is 2B. He doesn't have enough power to play a corner position and he's not suited to play CF. But there are a lot of offensively challenged teams who would probably give up something good for him. The question becomes when and for what.

Castro three year All Star at age 24

Addison Russell, just been better than average in the minors so far, and netted the A's Shark.

I think it is fair to say someone like Castro will have more value in a trade than Russell will, which would mean a better pitcher than Shark in return.

 

[2323]

Castro three year All Star at age 24

Addison Russell, just been better than average in the minors so far, and netted the A's Shark.

I think it is fair to say someone like Castro will have more value in a trade than Russell will, which would mean a better pitcher than Shark in return.

Who makes trades? Who votes on all star teams?

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Who makes trades? Who votes on all star teams?

I deal with facts and statistics, not value judgements. Out of his 3 all-star years he was a 3plus WAR player twice, which is considered elite at the SS position.