Jimmy Butler calls out Hoiberg, says Fred needs to be tougher

[Axl Rose]

everyone's told jimmy he needs to become more vocal and be a leader on the team. he's not forcing anything down anyone's throats. he's reciprocating what's being asked of him.

by whom? even if the team called for him to be the leader im sure they didn't mean for him to constantly proclaim hes the leader and throw people under the bus

I mean pau won a couple rings with kobe, but other than that who are these guys that are so accomplished??

Rose MVP
Noah has more of a right to the leader role than Jimmy

Why should Jimmy try to be less of a leader?

nobody said he has to be a less of a leader but hes gotta be a better one. even Jimmy admits he made a mistake with putting it out in the media so theres no argument that he was wrong in this instance

Jimmy has gotta earn the respect and influence of the locker room. hes can't impose his will on the veterans. it may work for McDermott and Portis but guys that seen Jimmy grow up are probably laughing

 

[knoxville7]

Rose MVP
Noah has more of a right to the leader role than Jimmy



really? so even though derrick is one of the worst players on the team, because he won an MVP trophy 4 years ago makes him more entitled of a leader than butler, who is actually pretty damn good CURRENTLY? I just don't see it bro, besides the fact that we all know derrick is no leader whether he is playing like his old self or not.

Noah I can agree is a great leader, not that that should surprise you lol noah is still the heart and soul of the team.

the other thing some of you need to remember is that all of this is still new to jimmy. guys like rose have had people putting microphones in front of their faces since they were like 12. this past year is really the first time jimmy has had that sort of attention, he is learning it and adjusting to it still IMO. while he shouldn't of said what he said to the media, what he said was still true nonetheless

 

[Axl Rose]

really? so even though derrick is one of the worst players on the team, because he won an MVP trophy 4 years ago makes him more entitled of a leader than butler

yup but let me make it clear that im not saying Jimmy can't be leader because players are more accomplished or have been on the team longer or whatever. what im saying is hes not gonna be able to force his leadership on these players

he has to earn the respect and influence and going about it how hes gone about it hasn't been the correct way.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

So about Derrick and dunking....

If I'm reading this correctly, the highest percentage of dunks attempted in his career is 2%. He's never averaged even half a game. I guess my point being, he's never been a dunker before.

 

[Enasic]

So about Derrick and dunking....

If I'm reading this correctly, the highest percentage of dunks attempted in his career is 2%. He's never averaged even half a game. I guess my point being, he's never been a dunker before.

Pretty sure he's had more than 1 in almost 30 games though. Longer drought than that if you go back to last year.

 

[Diddy1122]

Rose, Pau, Jo, Taj, & MDJ have ALL told Jimmy to be more of a vocal leader so I'm pretty sure his teammates are behind him. The only thing wrong with what he did was making the comments to the media, which he admitted was wrong and is learning from it.

Let's hold off on this whole "Jimmy Hollywood" crap until he actually starts acting like he doesn't care about the team or his teammates, which is so far from the truth at this point. But then again, that type of thinking doesn't produce major website hits or message boards debates.

 

[cjswan232482]

Rose MVP
Noah has more of a right to the leader role than Jimmy



really? so even though derrick is one of the worst players on the team, because he won an MVP trophy 4 years ago makes him more entitled of a leader than butler, who is actually pretty damn good CURRENTLY? I just don't see it bro, besides the fact that we all know derrick is no leader whether he is playing like his old self or not.

Noah I can agree is a great leader, not that that should surprise you lol noah is still the heart and soul of the team.

the other thing some of you need to remember is that all of this is still new to jimmy. guys like rose have had people putting microphones in front of their faces since they were like 12. this past year is really the first time jimmy has had that sort of attention, he is learning it and adjusting to it still IMO. while he shouldn't of said what he said to the media, what he said was still true nonetheless

If you average 25 and 8 and constantly taking over 4th quarters, you don't HAVE to talk to be a leader. Even now, the Bulls trust him to take last second shots because of his track record of creating for himself and others. Game recognizes game.

 

[Raskolnikov]

So you guys like Noah now? I am so tired of watching the guy play offense. Whatever defense and passion he brings is not worth it in this current can't touch anybody version of NBA. Noah is a relic of old school basketball and causes dysfunction to any modern offense.

 

[GalePayton]

Rose, Pau, Jo, Taj, & MDJ have ALL told Jimmy to be more of a vocal leader so I'm pretty sure his teammates are behind him. The only thing wrong with what he did was making the comments to the media, which he admitted was wrong and is learning from it.

What's funny is that some of the same posters now saying thay Rose pushed for Jimmy to be their leader are the same posters last week claiming that Jimmy was calling out Rose with his controversial comments. I still say that his comments were directed at Pau.

I have yet to see quotes from all of these players asking Jimmy to lead them. The reason is because it's only speculation. It is not a fact.

 

[knoxville7]

If you average 25 and 8 and constantly taking over 4th quarters, you don't HAVE to talk to be a leader. Even now, the Bulls trust him to take last second shots because of his track record of creating for himself and others. Game recognizes game.

LOL @ all of this. he hasn't averaged 25 and 8 in years bro....like you said, game recognizes game and derricks hasn't been that for quite sometime

 

[Axl Rose]

the game against Brooklyn tells me they weren't behind Jimmy. it took Paxson coming down and speaking with the team for this recent surge. im guessing he told them they'd be shipped to Philly if they didn't get their act together lol

not very happy about that though. thats kinda like a kid going to get the teacher to help him fight his battles. Hoiberg has got to stand on his own 2

also it doesn't hurt that Derrick has started to play like he belongs on a NBA roster again. deep down this is still Roses team. we're are much better when hes playing well.

Jimmy is great but his game isn't explosive enough to be #1 whereas Derrick does have that quality to his game

 

[RoseMVP1]

Well according to Nick Fridell, everyone thinks Jimmys changed and he's basically pissing everyone off. We'll see how that plays out

 

[GalePayton]

Well according to Nick Fridell, everyone thinks Jimmys changed and he's basically pissing everyone off. We'll see how that plays out

And KC is saying Jimmy was playing with "low energy" last night. Considering he called out his coach for allowing certain players to coast, that low energy description of him is shocking.

 

[Enasic]

Didn't Pax have a talk with the team last year as well? Or am I mistaken?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

When I think of Jimmy, I think of a B level player. Good enough to be a second option or third option scorer on a championship team, but not the first option. His defense is up there.

But what the Bulls really need is Rose to be playing well again. And to be aggressive when it counts most at the very least. At the end of the day, this team still, to a large extent, only will go where Rose is willing or able to take them.

 

[houheffna]

When I think of Jimmy, I think of a B level player. Good enough to be a second option or third option scorer on a championship team, but not the first option. His defense is up there.

But what the Bulls really need is Rose to be playing well again. And to be aggressive when it counts most at the very least. At the end of the day, this team still, to a large extent, only will go where Rose is willing or able to take them.

I am not convinced at this stage that Rose can be the first option on a title team either. Happy that he is playing better.

 

[The Hawk]

When I think of Jimmy, I think of a B level player. Good enough to be a second option or third option scorer on a championship team, but not the first option. His defense is up there.

But what the Bulls really need is Rose to be playing well again. And to be aggressive when it counts most at the very least. At the end of the day, this team still, to a large extent, only will go where Rose is willing or able to take them.

Offensively, I think that this team does much better when Brooks is at the point. The guy is easily the best attack player on offense and makes things happen. He also is a good 3 point shooter which opens things up for others. His problem, of course, is his size which means he does hurt the defense. I'd still like for both he and Rose to be on the court together more.

 

[ursamajor]

When I think of Jimmy, I think of a B level player. Good enough to be a second option or third option scorer on a championship team, but not the first option. His defense is up there.

But what the Bulls really need is Rose to be playing well again. And to be aggressive when it counts most at the very least. At the end of the day, this team still, to a large extent, only will go where Rose is willing or able to take them.

I completely disagree. Butler has been showing lately, that he:

Can iso his man, and get it done at the rim, crashing on 2 to 3 defenders in the paint, and finishing strong at the rim-the recent games against Detroit and Indiana gave prime examples (did you see how badly he crossed George? Jimmy has shown a large toolbag of shots, fade aways, hooks, range, off glass etc-but now he has a legit crossover? He, up until this season, played his best offensive basketball away from the ball...cutting, and catching and shooting But now he is deadly with the ball in his hand-scoring, creating, and not turning the ball over) He also knows how to draw contact, and get his way to the stripe. He can post up every guard in the game, and unless they have help, he will abuse them. EVERY guard. He can post up every 3 in the game with ease, save LeBron, and Leonard-but he still will win as much as he loses there.

Physically, he has the potential to be the most dominant 2 guard in the league since a prime Kobe (not saying that he is going to be as good as Kobe, but physically the potential is there to be the best 2 since Kobe was in his top form.

He should be the first option on offense. His efficiency is holding strong, even with his usage increasing. Dude is strong as an ox, and is balling...plus, he would look like a shiny god in the Triangle.

He is becoming a legit Star in front of our eyes. Enjoy.

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[Enasic]

Love butler as much as the next guy but think he's best suited to be the 2nd best player on a championship team. He's not quite a 1st tier superstar, IMO.

 

[Scoot26]

Love butler as much as the next guy but think he's best suited to be the 2nd best player on a championship team. He's not quite a 1st tier superstar, IMO.

I think Butler shows ability to be "the guy" aka the #1 option on this team currently, but he is definitely not Superstar worthy, thus isn't capable of being the best player on a championship team. Perhaps he continues to grow, but I've yet to see much Superstar ability in him.