Jordan: I could score 100 in current NBA

[houheffna]

On the contrary, I'm not going to turn this into a debate. Anybody who knows basketball is going to agree with me that Drexler was a better player than those guys. Simple as that.

Drexler>Carmelo Anthony
Drexler>Paul Pierce
Drexler>Yao Ming
Drexler>Manu Ginobili
and Drexler>Vince freakin' Carter.

I think you could get an argument about Drexler being better than Carmelo or Pierce. Pierce has a very strong resume and I believe Carmelo has more dexterity in scoring than any small forward going back to Bird in his prime.

And I don't remember Drexler being "step for step" with Jordan ever in his career...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Drexler was nearly step-for-step with Jordan for a while. I'm not saying he was as anywhere near the scorer as Jordan. But Jordan never faced a better SG.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Drexler is, in no way better than Paul Pierce. Maybe, maybe I could buy Ginobli, Yao, Carter, and 'Melo, but there is no way you can look at what Pierce has done the last 5 years and compare that to Drexler.

No way, no how.

 

[FirstTimer]

This shows your limited basketball knowledge... the fact you would say Clyde Drexler isn't a hands-down top 50 player in NBA History...

a guy who went nearly step-for-step with Jordan for the majority of both their careers

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LOL at this. You questioning someone elses basketball knowledge then saying Drexler was "step for step" with Jordan most of their careers.

On what planet?

Drexler's best years were 87-88 and 88-89. He had two peak seasons. Before that MJ was outscoring him by over 10PPG and was already seen as one of the best players in the NBA. During those peak seasons Jordan was winning scoring titles, an MVP, a DPOY, making all NBA first teams and All NBA first team defensive teams as well. Drexler made an All NBA second team in 1988. Wow. After those two peak seasons Jordan went back to outscoring Drexler by nearly 10PPG(with the exception of the 91-92 Finals season) and winning MVP's and Championships.


Jordan and Drexler each played 13 seasons at the same time. Give me the 7 seasons where Drexler was "step for step" with Jordan. I'll LOL if you give me Jordan's 2nd season where he was hurt and his 1/3 comeback season in 94-95.

Seriously.


Is Drexler a top 50 player of all time? Maybe. To say he "easily" is is also laughable. At the time the 50th anniversary team came out he was an "easier" choice than now but Drexler was an intechangable piece on that 50 team. He was borderline then and now he's a HUGE question mark. Especially now with the emergence of guys like Duncan, Kobe, Wade, Dirk, Nash, Lebron, Garnett, Pierce, etc. etc. etc.

Drexler was nearly step-for-step with Jordan for a while. I'm not saying he was as anywhere near the scorer as Jordan. But Jordan never faced a better SG.

Logic fail.

Even if I agree with you....that doesn't mean Drexler was step for step with Jordan. It just means Drexler was the 2nd best SG in the NBA during Jordan's era. It doesn't mean he was a near equal to or step for step with him.

Also, LOL for you saying Gervin wasn't better than Drexler. Gervin won 4 scoring titles and has a mantle full of All NBA/ABA first and second teams. Gervin's career scoring average is nearly what Drexlers peak season averages were. Relative to their own eras Gervin is and was considered the supurior player.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Drexler was arguably the better passer and rebounder than Jordan. He was also extremely quick and athletic. I never said that he and Jordan were equals. I said that Drexler almost always gave him a battle when they faced head-to-head. So saying that Clyde was near step=for-step with Michael isn't so crazy. If Jordan didn't have any steep competition, we wouldn't consider him the best player of all-time.

And I'd take Clyde Drexler over Paul Pierce any day of the week.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Then you're an idiot.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Then you're an idiot.

What does Paul Pierce bring to the table that Drexler didn't?

 

[FirstTimer]

Drexler was arguably the better passer and rebounder than Jordan.

LOL at this. So Drexler was "step for step" with Jordan but he was only "arghuably" they better passer and rebounder. Let's just ignore Jordan averaged more RPG than Drexler and only .3 less asissts then....

Jordan was the far superior defender, the far superior scorer, IMO was the better rebounder for the majority of his career and for playing with a point forward like Pippen who ate up a lot of assists in the triangle for Jordan to average nearly what Drexler did in assists is pretty telling.

He was also extremely quick and athletic.

Oh boy!

I never said that he and Jordan were equals.

I never said you did.

I asked you to qualify your statement calling Drexler "step for step" with Jordan for "most" of their careers.

I said that Drexler almost always gave him a battle when they faced head-to-head.

Jordan battled a lot of guys constantly.

So saying that Clyde was near step=for-step with Michael isn't so crazy.

Yes it is. You're insane if you think so.

Again: Show me the 7 seasons where Drexler was "step for step" with MJ or STFU with this stupid shit.

If Jordan didn't have any steep competition, we wouldn't consider him the best player of all-time.

Logic fail again....

And if Jordan had a guy who was nearly "step for step" with him for "most" of their careers he wouldn't be able to call himself the GOAT if he couldn't be that far seperated from a peer..let alone from the rest of the players who ever played.

What does Paul Pierce bring to the table that Drexler didn't?

Headbands.

Hardware.

More PPG.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

You pretend like I said that Clyde Drexler was the equal of Michael Jordan, which I did not.

And points per-game is a weak category, as it for reference of comparison of two players. Clyde Drexler was the hands-down better scorer, and better at basically everything else.

And "hardware" or "rings" is an even worse measure to compare two players. My logic is terrible, yet by your's we can infer that Robert Horry>>>>>>Clyde and Pierce.

By the way, they both have 1 ring. So way to bring up a pointless arguement for Pierce.

 

[FirstTimer]

You pretend like I said that Clyde Drexler was the equal of Michael Jordan, which I did not.

No I'm not.

I'm asking you to qualify your statement.

Show me the 7 seasons.

Go.

Or STFU.

And points per-game is a weak category, as it for reference of comparison of two players. Clyde Drexler was the hands-down better scorer, and better at basically everything else.

And "hardware" or "rings" is an even worse measure to compare two players. My logic is terrible, yet by your's we can infer that Robert Horry>>>>>>Clyde and Pierce.

By the way, they both have 1 ring. So way to bring up a pointless arguement for Pierce.

Sarcasm isn't your strong suit is it?

No rebuttle to the headband?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

No, I just find it funny that you revert to sarcasm in the place of finding an actual argument for Pierce>Drexler (because you are smart enough to know that there isn't one).

And from 1987-1994, the main difference between Drexler and Jordan, from a statistical standpoint, was the fact that Jordan was a much higher volume scorer than Clyde. When it came to REB/AST/BLK/STL/FG%, Clyde neary always matched, or exceeded, MJ in those categories during those seasons. But obviously Jordan was the better player by a clear margin - and I never said otherwise. All I implied was that Drexler was also a physically dominant and excelled from other NBA wing men in terms of talent.

Hell, averaging 7+ rebounds consistently on a team with Jerome Kersey, Kevin Duckworth, and Buck Williams is nothing to snub your nose at.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

"nearly step-for-step" =/= "step-for-step" by the way.

 

[Lefty]

And just so you know, Rami, I didn't use PPG, I used PP36, a better measure of overall scoring ability, something you would have known had you actually read what I wrote and, you know, not been Special person. But hey, none of us are perfect, yeah?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Lefty, I was referring to First Timer's reference of PPG. I know that isn't a stat you like any more than I do.

 

[FirstTimer]

No, I just find it funny that you revert to sarcasm in the place of finding an actual argument for Pierce>Drexler

I never once said I liked Pierce over Drexler....so why would I take it seriously?

The Paul Pierce list was someone else.

Dipshit.

For the record. IMO Drexler>Pierce.

And from 1987-1994, the main difference between Drexler and Jordan, from a statistical standpoint, was the fact that Jordan was a much higher volume scorer than Clyde.

And that's the most important part of the game. So MJ was a MUCH better player in the most important aspect of the game PLUS he was the far superior defensive player PLUS he was winning MVP's ,Championships, All NBA team awards etc. Drexler was doing almost none of that.

All the shit you posted after this doesn't matter as don't you find it more impressive that a player can score nearly 10 more PPG than someone else but still dish out as many assists rebound jus as well PLUS defend better? Gee. What an idea.

All I implied was the Drexler was also a physically dominant and excelled from other NBA wing men in terms of talent.

You said Drexler was nearly "step for step" with Jordan.

Give me the 7 seasons.

Go.

Or please stop with this idiocy.

Hell, averaging 7+ rebounds consistently on a team with Jerome Kersey, Kevin Duckworth, and Buck Williams is nothing to snub your nose at.

Yeah well thank God Jordan wasn't putting up 6+ RPG routinely surrounded by Cartwright, Grant, Pippen, King, Williams, etc.

 

[Lefty]

Lefty, I was referring to First Timer's reference of PPG. I know that isn't a stat you like any more than I do.

I hate it because it's fucking up my guy's ROY bid in NBA 2k11. I'm averaging a double-double per 36 minutes (25 points, 13 rebounds on average) but because of the per game bullshit and the fact that I wasn't a starter from the get-go, I'm looking at 20 and 9 as my averages. It's bullshit, seriously.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

C'mon, FT...

I find it funny how you say now that you think Drexler>PP, yet you thanked this post:

Drexler is, in no way better than Paul Pierce. Maybe, maybe I could buy Ginobli, Yao, Carter, and 'Melo, but there is no way you can look at what Pierce has done the last 5 years and compare that to Drexler.

No way, no how.

(and for the second time)
He was nearly step for step with Jordan in terms of nearly every stat except scoring (which he was actually pretty damn good at, compared to about half the people on Lefty's list). And I already told you which stats and 6 seasons of reference.


And, I find it funny

 

[FirstTimer]

C'mon, FT...

I find it funny how you say now that you think Drexler>PP, yet you thanked this post:

Ever consider I was thanking it because of the Melo, Yao, Carter part of it?

....................................

He was nearly step for step with Jordan in terms of nearly every stat except scoring (which he was actually pretty damn good at, compared to about half the people on Lefty's list).

Except that when evaluating players you evaluate them on the entirety of their work...So Jordan curb stomping Drexler scoring wise..the most important stat in the game..then keeping pace or beating him in ever other stat doesn't make Drexler "step for step" with Jordan. Not even "nearly". Add in the awards/accolades and the disparity is even greater.

And I already told you which stats and 6 seasons of reference.

So you're including seasons where Jordan was outscoring him by around 10PPG?

Wow.

Again. You keep posting in the basketball forum and I keep asking you to stop.

Please..PLEASE stop with this shit.

From 86-94 Drexler was not "nearly step for step" with Jordan. Jordan was too busy teabagging Drexler and the rest of the NBA to have that be the case.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

L-O-L at you even defending that you thanked that post. (The whole premise of that post was to say PP>Drexler). You are such a hypocrite that it's just amazzzzing.

I also noticed that you thanked the one calling me an idiot. My guess is that you just don't like me? ()Because, apparerently, you agree with me about everything except the choice of words "nearly step-for-step" which I will grant you isn't true in every sense of the word - but you inferred from that essentially that I believe that he and MJ were near equals in every way... which was a bad assumption.

and LOL at arguing with me, of all people, making a case for Jordan over Drexler... one of the easiest arguments to make in all of sports. And pretend that I don't agree with you, or said anything contradictory of that.

 

[FirstTimer]

In review

Jordan from 87-94:

3 MVP's
1 DPOY
7 All NBA First Teams
6 All NBA Defensive First Teams
3 Championships
3 NBA Finals MVP's
7 All Star Games
7 Scoring Titles

Drexler From 87-94
1 All NBA First Team
2 All NBA Second Team
1 All NBA 3rd team
7 All Star Games


Yep.

Seems "nearly step for step" to me.