Let's start projecting what the Cubs will look like in a few years!

[Captain Obvious]

You forgot Soler, Alcantara, Edwards, Russell and a few lesser guys.

Offensively, if some of these guys pan out to even be decent, we are some good pitching away from hopefully, maybe contending for the playoffs. Of all our current prospects, I'd say the only guy who looks like a sure thing, can't miss type, is Bryant. The others are still debatable...

Was strictly taking the first picks in the last 4 drafts. But yes, you're absolutely right.

 

[diavolos]

So we should do it the wrong way because it is what you want?

and this is the disconnect. some people are willing that the team throw away multiple seasons with the hope that the prospects are going to bring the promised championship. as a former season ticket holder myself, and someone who's been to more games and for longer than most of you have been alive, it's shocking to me that so many toe the company line. even for cubs fans, it's pathetic.

by your comment, you're admitting that you think they're doing it "the right way". sure, i think that theo could do a good job given the resources. and sure, he's had to concentrate on the only thing he can: prospects. and maybe some of the prospects will work out. but throwing away seasons is just not what champions do. everybody loves the cardinals and how they're supposedly doing it the "right way". give me one season that walt jocketty threw away, for a team that doesn't even have close to the revenue stream that the cubs do. somehow, in the midst of a long winning stretch, the cardinals managed to draft albert pujols and didn't even have to purposefully tank seasons to get him. somehow the yankees managed to draft jorge posada and andy pettite and never purposefully tanked seasons to get them either.

so yeah, when i read the comments i do read, i just think people are drinking the kool aid.

 

[Captain Obvious]

and this is the disconnect. some people are willing that the team throw away multiple seasons with the hope that the prospects are going to bring the promised championship. as a former season ticket holder myself, and someone who's been to more games and for longer than most of you have been alive, it's shocking to me that so many toe the company line. even for cubs fans, it's pathetic.

by your comment, you're admitting that you think they're doing it "the right way". sure, i think that theo could do a good job given the resources. and sure, he's had to concentrate on the only thing he can: prospects. and maybe some of the prospects will work out. but throwing away seasons is just not what champions do. everybody loves the cardinals and how they're supposedly doing it the "right way". give me one season that walt jocketty threw away, for a team that doesn't even have close to the revenue stream that the cubs do. somehow, in the midst of a long winning stretch, the cardinals managed to draft albert pujols and didn't even have to purposefully tank seasons to get him. somehow the yankees managed to draft jorge posada and andy pettite and never purposefully tanked seasons to get them either.

so yeah, when i read the comments i do read, i just think people are drinking the kool aid.

Under the new CBA show me one team that has been able to rebuild in less time than the Cubs. If they had the old CBA, they would not have had to wait this long, as they would have been able to sign IFA and Draft picks to how ever much they wanted. Under this new CBA, you need to bomb seasons to get the extra draft and IFA pool money.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

and this is the disconnect. some people are willing that the team throw away multiple seasons with the hope that the prospects are going to bring the promised championship. as a former season ticket holder myself, and someone who's been to more games and for longer than most of you have been alive, it's shocking to me that so many toe the company line. even for cubs fans, it's pathetic.

See you assume people are towing the company line, that is generally a straw man argument. I don't think anyone liked the Ian Stewart move or the move to sign Edwin Jackson.

I for one, wanted to blow this team up before Theo got here.

Besides Mike Olt, most of the prospects we have traded for are doing well at the big league level or advancing fast in the minors (Ramirez, Strop, Arrieta, Corey Black). And we got rid of guys who are either not playing anymore or not playing well (Garza, Dempster, Feldman).

So here is the thing. If you believe that we could have built a winner, while also rebuilding the minor league team then please list me the realistic lineup we would have today had you been the GM.

I have asked this of the haters since day one and not one of you have been able to put together a lineup that would be capable of being a competitor. So please prove me wrong

 

[brett05]

Like pretty please with sugar on top?

Yes

 

[Mongo_76]

So we should do it the wrong way because it is what you want?

Wrong way?


Again, the wrong way is a matter of opinion. Just because Theo says this is the right way, doesn't mean it is the only way. Me personally? I think the wrong way includes being one of the worst teams in baseball for at least 4 straight years.

Many many other teams, season after season, contend, make the playoffs, and have WS win potential without tanking..

You're going to tell me that they're doing it "the wrong way"???

 

[Mongo_76]

Under the new CBA show me one team that has been able to rebuild in less time than the Cubs.

How can you possibly consider a team that is vying for the worst record in baseball as "rebuilt"?

 

[Captain Obvious]

Wrong way?


Again, the wrong way is a matter of opinion. Just because Theo says this is the right way, doesn't mean it is the only way. Me personally? I think the wrong way includes being one of the worst teams in baseball for at least 4 straight years.

Many many other teams, season after season, contend, make the playoffs, and have WS win potential without tanking..

You're going to tell me that they're doing it "the wrong way"???

What's the right way then?

How can you possibly consider a team that is vying for the worst record in baseball as "rebuilt"?

I don't. But show me a team that has been able to do it faster than the Cubs.

 

[brett05]

See you assume people are towing the company line, that is generally a straw man argument. I don't think anyone liked the Ian Stewart move or the move to sign Edwin Jackson.

I for one, wanted to blow this team up before Theo got here.

Besides Mike Olt, most of the prospects we have traded for are doing well at the big league level or advancing fast in the minors (Ramirez, Strop, Arrieta, Corey Black). And we got rid of guys who are either not playing anymore or not playing well (Garza, Dempster, Feldman).

So here is the thing. If you believe that we could have built a winner, while also rebuilding the minor league team then please list me the realistic lineup we would have today had you been the GM.

I have asked this of the haters since day one and not one of you have been able to put together a lineup that would be capable of being a competitor. So please prove me wrong

Not this again....

 

[brett05]

What's the right way then?



I don't. But show me a team that has been able to do it faster than the Cubs.

What??? You just said no and yes....

 

[Captain Obvious]

What??? You just said no and yes....

Show me a team that has rebuilt faster than what the Cubs are currently on pace to do. Is that better for you?

 

[Parade_Rain]

Under the new CBA show me one team that has been able to rebuild in less time than the Cubs. If they had the old CBA, they would not have had to wait this long, as they would have been able to sign IFA and Draft picks to how ever much they wanted. Under this new CBA, you need to bomb seasons to get the extra draft and IFA pool money.

Since they haven't put a winning product on the MLB field yet and so far very little of the youth movement has arrived at Wrigley, the argument that they have been able to rebuild fast isn't demonstrably true...yet

 

[brett05]

Show me a team that has rebuilt faster than what the Cubs are currently on pace to do. Is that better for you?

It is different

 

[Parade_Rain]

What's the right way then?



I don't. But show me a team that has been able to do it faster than the Cubs.

So you don't consider them "rebuilt" but whatever they've done, they have done it faster?

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Not this again....

And to this day no one has come up with a winning lineup. Hence why I keep asking....

If you are going to claim your solution is better, then you have to actually provide the solution.

 

[Captain Obvious]

So you don't consider them "rebuilt" but whatever they've done, they have done it faster?

My point is that no team has done it so far. At least no team that was in as bad of shape as the Cubs farm system was.

 

[brett05]

And to this day no one has come up with a winning lineup. Hence why I keep asking....

If you are going to claim your solution is better, then you have to actually provide the solution.

Which has been done ad naseum over the years

 

[brett05]

My point is that no team has done it so far. At least no team that was in as bad of shape as the Cubs farm system was.

Not that many teams as bad as the Cubs so not really a big sample there

 

[diavolos]

I have asked this of the haters since day one and not one of you have been able to put together a lineup that would be capable of being a competitor. So please prove me wrong

i'm actually not a hater of the cubs; i'm a cubs lover. what i hate is what's happening to this franchise and general fan apathy and/or toeing the company line.

i don't have a lineup solution. but i do have a gm solution: walt jocketty. somehow in the midst of a long winning stretch they manage to draft allen craig, matt adams, kolten wong, matt carpenter, lance lynn, trevor rosenthal (those are just guys on this year's roster, and there's more), add free agents like mark mcgwire and jim edmonds (and more) and oh yeah, draft albert pujols. "sustained success" indeed.

 

[SilenceS]

i'm actually not a hater of the cubs; i'm a cubs lover. what i hate is what's happening to this franchise and general fan apathy and/or toeing the company line.

i don't have a lineup solution. but i do have a gm solution: walt jocketty. somehow in the midst of a long winning stretch they manage to draft allen craig, matt adams, kolten wong, matt carpenter, lance lynn, trevor rosenthal (those are just guys on this year's roster, and there's more), add free agents like mark mcgwire and jim edmonds (and more) and oh yeah, draft albert pujols. "sustained success" indeed.

Lol at the draft Albert Pujols. The Cardinals hit on one in a million. He was drafted in the 8th round. That means they passed on him that whole time. Only pray to the God's that the Cubs could ever be that lucky. Yes, drafting Pujols was luck.