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Lexus RX Turned Auto Debate Thread
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Well there's your problem. Every auction car that I've seen has been a gigantic pile of shit. They are either total losses that have been cobbled together with wood screws and chicken wire or victims of neglect or negligence on the owners part.
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You are full of fail! Go get a certified Pre-owned Mercedes and you will eat your words.
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The Corvette has been one of the best value sports cars for a long time but the interior is a POS just like the Camaro, hopefully the new Corvette C7 is an improvement. If you look at the new SRT Viper it's a BIG improvement over the last generation Viper, also I like how the Viper engineers admitted that the previous Viper's interior was a POS, they did a great job with the new Viper interior and overall the entire car big props to Chrysler.
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Mercedes. A good chunk of the world's choice for taxi vehicles. I don't know what it is, but once I started traveling a bit internationally...it really damaged the brand in my mind. Considering that the models I would actually want to own, would be pushing the line of 100k (e.g. CLS63 AMG)...I can think of a lot better ways to spend that cash. Hell, I could get an awesome ride (equal to or better than the Merc equivalent), a nice boat and a motorcycle the same amount of money.
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One of the longest lasting cars that I have ever owned was flipped, and I rarely have had problems with restorations(only one comes to mind, and it had nothing to do with the prior owner). If you go to a salvage yard, and literally buy a salvage car, then you'll likely have a lemon. But if you inspect the vehicle(much like a "certified pre-owned" inspection), everything else is just your own superstitions.
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The OM6xx engines are some of the best passenger-car diesel engines ever. Diesels get over a million miles fairly often, but the OM6's are in an elite class for reliability. This great engine design managed to sweep the fleet vehicles of the world. After the OM6 passed was finally killed, IDK what happened. Merc dropped the ball and swapped to a far less reliable diesel. But the reputation lives on.
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no. the cars had a max of 10,000 miles on them max.
Right, I dont know anything. I have only been flipping cars since I was 16 but yeah its my first rodeo.
Ahh the certified mercedes...haha! priceless. you are the typical consumer.
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exactly. I dont buy salvage. I do however like cash cars especially in this economy I am taking advantage of the demand. fucking 1000.00 cars are now 4000.00 due to the economy. i moved a 98 z24 that had 213,000 miles on it for 600.00 by an independant...the car ran...didnt run good...but it ran. needed a timing chain, tensioners and full brakes...the owner knew what it needed and he still paid 3200.00 for the car. people are doing this everyday, buying what we call...a "bagel" It just so happens that when I go to the auction I end up with something more expensive because im impulsive.
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It sounds like you're bashing Benz because they cost a lot to maintain or repair. Yes, they can be very expensive to repair. But if you can't afford to fix it you shouldn't buy it. That doesn't make them shitty cars. It just makes them too expensive for you. Whether you realize it or not, or believe it, there is a lot of technology and engineering man-hours in every Benz. MB has to recoup their investment somehow, that's how business works.
And, the inline diesels are incredible. The new V6's are a nightmare to work on. Under the hood is 30 lbs of shit stuffed in a 5 lb bag
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Wait, what?
So if you can't afford to repair a car, you shouldn't buy one. How is that different than ANY make of automobile? ALL automakers put in "a lot of technology and engineering man-hours" in every product that they make. Ford puts in the most into their R&D, YET, somehow for such a shitty cheap car that is apparently "found on road dead" a great deal, they also boast better reliability and less expensive maintenance costs. They also have to recoup their costs. I don't think your argument makes any sense.
It's one thing if YOU personally like Mercs. That's perfectly fine. If you get to know me on this site, I defend personal opinions and choices quite often, even when they oppose my own. But once someone takes a VERY subjective topic, and then presses their opinion as superior, as if it were fact, I am bothered quite a bit. You have multiple people here who have also had a great deal of experience with a diverse list of makes AND models within, including MB. But you are ready to make excuses for them. This is being a fanboy, a homer of a consumer brand. It doesn't help others make the best choices for their needs. It doesn't help MB's image either.
According to you, MB's are wrong for people who;
- don't want to spend a lot on repairs.
- buy cars second hand after heavy inspection at auction.
- feel it's unnecessary to contribute any more to their R&D than other makes.
- want to work on the new v6's
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Wait, what?
So if you can't afford to repair a car, you shouldn't buy one. How is that different than ANY make of automobile? ALL automakers put in "a lot of technology and engineering man-hours" in every product that they make. Ford puts in the most into their R&D, YET, somehow for such a shitty cheap car that is apparently "found on road dead" a great deal, they also boast better reliability and less expensive maintenance costs. They also have to recoup their costs. I don't think your argument makes any sense.
It's one thing if YOU personally like Mercs. That's perfectly fine. If you get to know me on this site, I defend personal opinions and choices quite often, even when they oppose my own. But once someone takes a VERY subjective topic, and then presses their opinion as superior, as if it were fact, I am bothered quite a bit. You have multiple people here who have also had a great deal of experience with a diverse list of makes AND models within, including MB. But you are ready to make excuses for them. This is being a fanboy, a homer of a consumer brand. It doesn't help others make the best choices for their needs. It doesn't help MB's image either.
According to you, MB's are wrong for people who;
- don't want to spend a lot on repairs.
- buy cars second hand after heavy inspection at auction.
- feel it's unnecessary to contribute any more to their R&D than other makes.
- want to work on the new v6's
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Look nice Inside
Look nice outside
Ride comfort: above avg
Ride handling: above avg
Repair frequency: below avg
Repair Cost: below avg
reliability: avg
Thats what I think in a nutshell.
Like I said before. you have 2 car guys here strong on different avenues. If you want to be a meatball about a make, thats fine, Im a meatball for american muscle but by no means will I cram that down anyones throat.....but try to listen to those who are in the car business that have experience.
The whole "if you cant afford the repair dont buy the car" is a half ass meatballish comment where you are reaching for something of substance to use in your debate to either make yourself feel more right in this convo, or self reassurance on your bias.
Note* Im not sure if you think the auction is a place where drug dealers and impounded, repoed cars are sold at or not but thats not anywhere near where I go and what transpires. I have a dealers liscense from the state of Illinois. I go to "dealer" auctions.....ya see for example....say there was a customer who went to joe schmos chevy out in the country to trade in his 2010 c class for a tahoe.....that dealership has little chance of selling that c class being in that demographic, so they send the car to the chutes or better known as the auction where myself or big time dealerships that have 1000's of cars go to make a purchase to sell. big dealers in specific demographics will buy the car "certify" it and put it on their used car lot as for me i would flip it.
Look nice Inside
Look nice outside
Ride comfort: above avg
Ride handling: above avg
Repair frequency: below avg
Repair Cost: below avg
reliability: avg
Thats what I think in a nutshell.
Like I said before. you have 2 car guys here strong on different avenues. If you want to be a meatball about a make, thats fine, Im a meatball for american muscle but by no means will I cram that down anyones throat.....but try to listen to those who are in the car business that have experience.
The whole "if you cant afford the repair dont buy the car" is a half ass meatballish comment where you are reaching for something of substance to use in your debate to either make yourself feel more right in this convo, or self reassurance on your bias.
Note* Im not sure if you think the auction is a place where drug dealers and impounded, repoed cars are sold at or not but thats not anywhere near where I go and what transpires. I have a dealers liscense from the state of Illinois. I go to "dealer" auctions.....ya see for example....say there was a customer who went to joe schmos chevy out in the country to trade in his 2010 c class for a tahoe.....that dealership has little chance of selling that c class being in that demographic, so they send the car to the chutes or better known as the auction where myself or big time dealerships that have 1000's of cars go to make a purchase to sell. big dealers in specific demographics will buy the car "certify" it and put it on their used car lot as for me i would flip it.
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Speaking of the RX 300(and an attempt to get back on topic.)
When I lived in Milwaukee in 2001, I saw a RX400(same shell, bigger motor) a few times with vanity plates that read "MVP". I don't know if this is true, but someone told me that was Brett Favre's SUV. :shrug: Oh the missed opportunities.
When I lived in Milwaukee in 2001, I saw a RX400(same shell, bigger motor) a few times with vanity plates that read "MVP". I don't know if this is true, but someone told me that was Brett Favre's SUV. :shrug: Oh the missed opportunities.
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Speaking of the RX 300(and an attempt to get back on topic.)
When I lived in Milwaukee in 2001, I saw a RX400(same shell, bigger motor) a few times with vanity plates that read "MVP". I don't know if this is true, but someone told me that was Brett Favre's SUV. :shrug: Oh the missed opportunities.
you would think he would be rollin in something a bit more hardcore. than again kyle orton drove a prius
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i can say one thing while we are talking cars....im glad im not in the restoring of cars. my love for muscle cars and the fact that i know nothing about putting cars together make for major money losses. damn crys...we got a lot in common...used to own a few semis and you knew logistics....i flip cars and you know how to build em. why are we hanging out on the interwebzzz and not making money!
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Exactly. Everyone is different. It's not like there is one super-guru car-nut that decides which is what and best for who.
I even have this odd theory that some vehicles last a lot longer in some hands than others, regardless of how well a person takes care of a car. My mother drives with her foot off the gas from a standstill, has an infinite number of habits that she isn't even aware of, turns a specific way, brakes a specific way, throttles at slightly different points, and likes to drive at certain speeds, sits in her position, and takes specific roads. How is she going to compare to another completely responsible, but entirely different driver, habitually? She will like driving a different car, and the car that suits her habits best, will be the car that is safest for her as well, regardless of independent crash research.
It's like those people who own the infamous second generation Explorers to this date. How did the damn thing last so long, how did they stay so safe? Well beats me, but the car fits their styles. When I see any Dodge Neon still on the road, my mind is blown. When I see the 5th generation Preludes on the road, I'm shocked. 2nd gen Altimas, 2nd gen Cavaliers and really any 3.4L LQ1 v6 Chevy too. HOW? An entire fluke? I'm willing to bet they were just the right cars for those people(at least the original owners that broke them in.) Maybe Dews will back me up on this one, but damn, you could go to yards and auctions, maybe even still to this day, and always see a cherry Jaguar XJ with maybe some cracks in the leather interior, and that's it. They are some of the least reliable cars period, but they suit some people like bacon and eggs.
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Keep buying those lemons
. Also I don't think the typical consumer buys a Mercedes Benz, BMW or Audi they usually get a Ford, GM, Chrysler or Toyota.