Mike Vrabel or Ben Johnson?

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Another mentioned here in regards to Vrabel, but not as a HC candidate is Arthur Smith. I know he sucked in Atlanta, but they also generally had a horrible QB situation when he was there. Matt Ryan was past his prime and then they had no real answer after they flirted with Deshaun Watson.

He seems to have helped revitalize Russell Wilson.

Has he learned from his Atlanta experience enough to be a consideration? No idea, but another one to throw in the mix.

If you pair him a Saleh, could that work?

I’m not huge on Smith as HC but id honestly rather have that pair over Vrabel and whatever mediocre OC he more than likely brings over

 

[Canth]

Adding on to the Arthur Smith consideration is that he coached TE's before and even has background as a defensive quality control assistant.

As I think about it, I really do think he should at least get an interview to see if or what he has learned from his Atlanta experience.

on edit: I also like that he would have experience now from coaching under both Tomlin and Vrabel

 

[Chicago Staleys]

2a - Vrabel
2b - BJ

 

[remydat]

Arthur Smith sure but he didn’t find LaFleur.

Was his OC in 2018 so he has hired two very good OCs which is the point. Not relevant to my point whether it is find or hired.

 

[playthrough2001]

If things with the Bears are still horrific in year 4, Caleb could tell the Bears if you pick up my fifth year option just know I won't be playing for this organization after my 5th year. I'll enter free agency and go somewhere else. The Bears would get zero compensation in this scenario. And if Caleb, by this time, had developed into a top tier QB he would have significant value on the open market. The Bears would trade him in year 4 so they get something in return before he hits the open market as an unrestricted free agent.

Players don't have to sign the franchise tag. That creates a lot of problems for them but Caleb does have the option to not sign it.

I admit that my scenario is far fetched.

Personally, I believe the specter of Caleb leaving before he signs a second contract is a good thing. It might be the only thing that could force this organization and its leadership to get serious about doing things the right way, stop cutting corners and legitimately try to build a winner. If you do things the right way then Caleb never leaves Chicago and we are in the SB window for many years.

That’s not how it works. If he doesn’t sign the franchise tag, he can’t play anywhere else. They can tag him three times. If you don’t play, you don’t accrue a season.

He has zero leverage. It’s highly doubtful it comes to that, but he won’t be dictating to anyone after year 4.

He will have the option not to play NFL football.

 

[Rise]

If the Bears had a real owner Harbaugh would for sure be the HC right now. He would have told Warren to worry about the stadium you don’t need to talk to Harbaugh and told Poles he is an idiot for wanting to keep Flus, firing both.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Was his OC in 2018 so he has hired two very good OCs which is the point. Not relevant to my point whether it is find or hired.

LaFleur had one of the worst offensives in the league in 2018. So Vrabel actually hired one of the worst OC’s at the time. LaFleurs success with the Packers is not because of Vrabel.

 

[legendxofxlink]

If BJ leaves, I guarantee there’s not much drop off to the next OC there. Lions are setup well. I’m thinking Vrabel, though he doesn’t wow me much either.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

If BJ leaves, I guarantee there’s not much drop off to the next OC there. Lions are setup well. I’m thinking Vrabel, though he doesn’t wow me much either.

They are set up as far as personnel goes but can another OC and continue to dominate. That’s not a guarantee.

 

[Szlachcic]

LaFleur had one of the worst offensives in the league in 2018. So Vrabel actually hired one of the worst OC’s at the time. LaFleurs success with the Packers is not because of Vrabel.

LaFleurs success with the Packers is because Rodgers..

 

[Discus fish salesman]

LaFleurs success with the Packers is because Rodgers..

Please explain the last 2 years

 

[Szlachcic]

Please explain the last 2 years

I'm referring to 2019 when he become GB HC.. Satisfied?

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I'm referring to 2019 when he become GB HC.. Satisfied?

I guess but I think Lafleur proved himself last year when love went from looking like horse shit to having wide open wrs all over the field. Also winning 2 games with Malik Willis was impressive. He is very good schematically

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

LaFleurs success with the Packers is because Rodgers..

Not disagreeing but I think it goes beyond that. He has turned into a solid HC.

But to say Vrabel hired 2 good OCs is not accurate. With the Titans in 2018 his offensive rankings were as such:
Total Points: 27th
Rush Yards: 7th
Pass Yards: 29th
Total Yards: 25th

 

[Bearly]

Gross.

He’d have to bring in a rockstar OC for me to consider him. I can’t even think of anyone off the top of my head, but MCCown definitely isn’t it.

I thought the Josh over Cutler sentiment here amusing but I suspect he'll be a vG OC some day.

 

[remydat]

LaFleur had one of the worst offensives in the league in 2018. So Vrabel actually hired one of the worst OC’s at the time. LaFleurs success with the Packers is not because of Vrabel.

No one said his success with the Packers was because of him. The point is he is obviously a good OC. That O ranking was largely due to Mariotta at QB as it is obvious NFL people thought he was a good OC because he got hired despite that ranking.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

No one said his success with the Packers was because of him. The point is he is obviously a good OC. That O ranking was largely due to Mariotta at QB as it is obvious NFL people thought he was a good OC because he got hired despite that ranking.

He became a good OC with the Packers. He was not with Titans. Vrabel hired a bad OC at the time. Those are facts.

 

[remydat]

He became a good OC with the Packers. He was not with Titans. Vrabel hired a bad OC at the time. Those are facts.

Yeah this logic is just dumb. Sorry. I trust NFL people who thought he was a good enough OC to make him HC.

 

[PrimeTime]

He found Arthur Smith and Matt LaFleur both of whom got HC gigs.

Did you see what Matt Lafleur did in LA as OC before he went to the Titans? The #1 offense in football. Matt went to the Titans for 1 year as OC and had the 27th ranked offense. Then Matt went to Green Bay and you know the rest of the story. This says a lot more about Green Bay finding their HC/OC and letting him run his own offense then Vrabel finding his OC and then neutering him. It doesn't matter who Vrabel finds as his OC if he won't let the OC run his own offense and future OC prospects already know this. This is exactly why Lovie had problems finding a competent OC.

 

[remydat]

Did you see what Matt Lafleur did in LA as OC before he went to the Titans? The #1 offense in football. Matt went to the Titans for 1 year as OC and had the 27th ranked offense. Then Matt went to Green Bay and you know the rest of the story. This says a lot more about Green Bay finding their HC/OC and letting him run his own offense then Vrabel finding his OC and then neutering him. It doesn't matter who Vrabel finds as his OC if he won't let the OC run his own offense and future OC prospects already know this. This is exactly why Lovie had problems finding a competent OC.

Post evidence Vrabel neutered him. I think the difference between LaFleur in Tenn and in GB was Mariotta vs Rodgers. Also the No 1 O with Rams had a lot to do with McVay calling plays. That is why LaFleur was allowed to leave so he could call plays in Tenn.