Nagy is scaling back the offensive approach

[gwharris2254]

pass, run, run ... pass, run, run ... pass, run, run ...... ad infinitum .... let's set a record for the least amount of punts in a year.

AND while we are at it.... SINCE our tendency is to PASS 75 % out of Shotgun ... let's fuckin Run alot more outta Shotgun

AND Since we PREDICTABLY Run mostly out of behind center LETS FUCKIN PASSS (you ass )+ more from Behind fuckin Center..

PLEASE be less predictable. Come on Man. When they compile these stats about our O is it even conceivable that the other 31 TEAMS haven't recognized these tendencies of ours from 3 Games ???????????????

 

[Ping]

Per Mongo, Nagy said that Trubisky perfected the playbook, therefore he scaled back the playbook in preseason. #mongologic #anotherweaktroll

What?? That doesn’t make sense. Mongo, please tell me that you’re not that dumb. When did Maggie ever say that Trubisky perfected the play book??

Nagy has a 1000 play playbook it would take years just to learn it let alone master it.


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[BearClaw55]

That's pretty scary considering how flat out dense you've been so far in this thread.

Wild_x_Card this is kindergarten type stuff

 

[Mr.Anderson]

I think it’s a great move. Addition by subtraction. Hopefully he can focus more on timing, reading the defense, footwork and mechanics more instead of learning more plays he isn’t comfortable running yet.

I see this team being kinda like the old school west coast, run to set up the pass offense. They’re struggling to find their identity and trying to figure out what they do best. Maybe they’re an old school kind. Maybe they’re trying to be some kind of ultra high scoring offense, when in reality, they could actually be a really good grind it out run it down your throat offense.

 

[Visionman]

Question.. Playoffs or possibly developing a franchise changing quarterback? Keep in mind, Andy Reid's offense is extremely complex. Don't believe me? See Wentz's rookie stats

Mitch can still develop by sitting and watching. See: Mahomes, Patrick.

He will get until mid season. If he still isn't getting it, then he obviously isnt getting it by doing. So give him a different vantage point to learn from.

 

[WindyCity]

This is a normal practice.

Every team self scouts and cuts down the playbook to what there guys execute best. If they were not doing this and were forcing guys to execute plays they have shown are not there strengths I would have a bigger issue.



No coach installs a 1000 play playbook in one year.

 

[jtreal3]

Great even more screens and Bubbles just what we need!

 

[TL1961]

They claimed that Mitch was "ready to go" and "didn't need more reps" and "more than enough reps in camp to get this offense". And that is why it was OK to sit him in the pre-season.

Do you now think the reason that they sat him had to do with wanting to not expose the fans to his unmistakable ignorance of the system? the same system they claimed he had perfected?

It's interesting that they now have to again, dumb down, that system for our QB that they have already dumbed down.

Remember when Martz had to do that for Cutler...?

Id not believe coaches make decisions based on what fans think, as fans are ignorant and all over the board.

As I stated the other day, Bears fans are simultaneously screaming that the playcalling was awful AND Mitch had wide open receivers all day, but kept missing them.

Fans simultaneously criticized Mitch for not exploiting the blitz which shoumd have been remarkably easy while also calling for Fangio to blitz more.

Fans, as a whole, are fools.

 

[truthbedamned]

What kills me is before we traded for one player the meatballs on this forum were happy with 7-9 or 8-8. Now that we have Mack we are suddenly a SB caliber team. Don't know what these dudes are drinking or smoking but pass it over will you?

 

[Visionman]

What kills me is before we traded for one player the meatballs on this forum were happy with 7-9 or 8-8. Now that we have Mack we are suddenly a SB caliber team. Don't know what these dudes are drinking or smoking but pass it over will you?

I thought we could be 10-6 before Mack. That was with at least a competent offense tho...

 

[doctorbear]

What kills me is before we traded for one player the meatballs on this forum were happy with 7-9 or 8-8. Now that we have Mack we are suddenly a SB caliber team. Don't know what these dudes are drinking or smoking but pass it over will you?

You’re shocked a hall of fame player can change expectations for a team? Maybe account for 2-3 extra wins a season? Do you remember what would happen when Urlacher went down?

Honestly I cannot believe that a human being can really be that dull.

 

[Bearly]

The right thing to do would be to roll with Chase Daniels a vet QB who can run the whole play book. Let Mitch sit and learn, if the defense wasn’t a SB caliber defense then I could see sacrificing the team for Mitch.

They claimed that Mitch was "ready to go" and "didn't need more reps" and "more than enough reps in camp to get this offense". And that is why it was OK to sit him in the pre-season.

Do you now think the reason that they sat him had to do with wanting to not expose the fans to his unmistakable ignorance of the system? the same system they claimed he had perfected?

It's interesting that they now have to again, dumb down, that system for our QB that they have already dumbed down.

Remember when Martz had to do that for Cutler...?

a bunch of posts explaining why this isn't just Mitch and oh, never mind.

 

[Mdbearz]

To the idiots that are all up in arms about this: have you noticed that the scripted plays to start the game have mostly been crisp as fuck? Do you know why that is? Because the offense practices those a shitton more than the rest of the playbook and are completely comfortable with them. Then, later in the game when Nagy starts delving deep into his bag to plays that maybe haven't been run in practice for a few weeks, guys run wrong routes, blocking assignments are missed, the QB is unsure of his reads, and so on.

I'm not really sure why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.

Agreed! I'm sure that any of us that played the game at ANY level (HS, College or even Pro) understands this concept. You have certain plays or formations or schemes that simply click and that also comes with repetition.

I look at this as less of a scaling back, and more like the greatest hits. So far all three games have had a slightly different approach. For example we took more shots down field last week than in previous games. So now instead of adding a bunch of new plays to the game plan he will look at those plays that were executed well, even if that does not mean the play resulted in a great result. If everyone executed the play properly, and a defender made a great play, you do not eliminate that play from the short list, you just emphasis what the defender did and look at ways to counter that.

I know these guys are pros and they should be able to do anything and everything, but if Nagy thinks that he wants to run only the plays that the offense runs well, and add fewer of the less familiar plays, then I'm ok with that.

After this game we have the bye week and he can install more new plays and get more reps.

I know we have had more bad than good play results, but if the first half of the Packers game is any indication of this offense running plays that they are very familiar with, then imagine taking 3 games of lessons learned and putting together a game plan based on the greatest hits.

 

[Bearly]

Holy fuck. This is literally how rumors start and why the media is sometimes not even worth paying attention to.

I heard what was said and it was in direct response to a question asked to Nagy. They then of course took that opportunity to follow it up with Mitch. And that is how you manufacture a story. In short, neither Nagy nor Mitch ever said the offense was going to be scaled back. I literally knew it the moment I heard this shit that this would happen.

Even if you're correct, the O will naturally scale back in some areas and maybe expand in others. It's a natural progression as you run the O and see what's working and what players are better or worse at. Why some of us accepted this and have no issue if true.

Nagy came out of the gates running with much more O installed that he anticipated he would be able to this early. Anyone thinking that the O installation process is behind schedule in any way is clueless.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

He's scaling back a scaled back offense... Great.

Just wondering how people don't see this as him saying our QB has brain issues....

COUNTERPOINT (only because I do agree with you on this): Maybe the problem is/was Nagy putting too much in, too early?

 

[Toast88]

This will make the Bears offense more predictable and easy to defend. How will this increase offensive scoring?


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Kansas City this year scaled back their Matt Nagy offense into something more simplistic and easier for the players to digest. They seem to be doing pretty well.


Not saying the Bears offense will suddenly become awesome, but scaling back the offense doesn't automatically mean easier to defend. It's quite possible part of the problem is Nagy stuffing the players' heads with too much complex stuff too quickly. The Chiefs players this year have been pretty vocal that they prefer the more simplistic offense to Nagy's offense of yesteryear.

 

[Bearly]

COUNTERPOINT (only because I do agree with you on this): Maybe the problem is/was Nagy putting too much in, too early?

I'd settle for him just removing some of the goofy plays.

 

[onebud34]

I thought we could be 10-6 before Mack. That was with at least a competent offense tho...

So now we're 10-6 with pedestrian offense?

 

[WindyCity]

Here are some factors outside of Mitch that are going to cause adaptations to the playbook.

-Allen Robinson cannot block worth a damn on screen passes.
-They have 1 TE that can catch passes, the 2 TE package should be scrapped till Sims comes back.
-They have not been productive enough up front on power run plays, they are out and more zone should be called
-They have called way too many WR screens and that needs to be scaled back

Things that can be increased or included

-Jordan Howard can catch, those plays can stay and get more calls
-The RB screen game has been productive
-Crossing and outbreaking routes to Burton

 

[WindyCity]

Kansas City this year scaled back their Matt Nagy offense into something more simplistic and easier for the players to digest. They seem to be doing pretty well.


Not saying the Bears offense will suddenly become awesome, but scaling back the offense doesn't automatically mean easier to defend. It's quite possible part of the problem is Nagy stuffing the players' heads with too much complex stuff too quickly. The Chiefs players this year have been pretty vocal that they prefer the more simplistic offense to Nagy's offense of yesteryear.

They scaled back for a young QB and in terms helped the WRs not think as much.

This is a natural progression.