NBA All-Defensive Teams Announced; Deng Makes 2nd Team

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yes you do.

Show something.

Anything.
An old article, facts, stats, whatever, specific examples.....

ANYTHING.

You have brought nothing to the table.


Hunter being a "skilled" defender doesn't make him "great" or "elite" let alone good enough to where he would be historically significant enough to actually take time to "learn" about.

Hunter was "great" in the sense that he was skilled. More skilled than essentially anybody else who played perimeter defense in the NBA. Skills =/= physical tools. It is about something learned.

The Bulls brought Hunter in as a player at an old age because of his knowledge about how to be a great perimeter defender.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Loserism isn't even a word.




Neither are these.



Who?

LOL u still resort to loserish tactics even in the very response to me calling you out for them. what r u 12?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

And please show where I called Lindsay Hunter a 'great basket-defender' moron

 

[FirstTimer]

Hunter was "great" in the sense that he was skilled.

So every NBA player is "great" since they area ll pretty fucking skilled..hence them being in the NBA.

Awesome standard.

 

[houheffna]

When did the argument change from "better" to "valuable"? Those terms are not synonymous. And if there are lesser of a player in a particular area, does that not increase his value?

But forget that argument. As has been pointed out numerous times...THIS YEAR...Lebron was the best defender in the NBA. He had the best year defensively. Whether you want to talk about Howard's injuries, or the inability of certain Heat players to play at a high level defensively this year (Battier anyone?). Rami fails to notice that Battier did not have a good year this year, on either side of the ball.

Whatever way you want to look at it, Lebron was both more valuable and the best this season.

 

[FirstTimer]

And please show where I called Lindsay Hunter a 'great basket-defender' moron

Who?

 

[FirstTimer]

Quick Lindsey Hunter story...

U of Illinois used to have a pre-season tournament called the Illini Pepsi Classic as a way for Illinois to pad their stats. One year they had Jackson State as one of the teams. I believe Lindsey Hunter still holds the Assembly Hall scoring record, because in one game he went off for 60+ points, and in the "championship" game against Illinois, Hunter had 40 something points in the 2nd half alone and Jackson State almost won. All the Illinois fans were saying "Who the hell was that guy?" after the game.

Maybe because they were expecting Lindsay Hunter?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

How is Hunter's "skill" more 'learned' than Howard's "skill"? If anything, I would think that defending the low post takes more "learning" and "experience" than someone defending on the ball. Thats more athleticism than anything.

Either way, I don't understand what you are getting at, unless you are just backtracking from one Special person statement to the next. Hunter is a better defender than Howard...Hunter isn't a more valuable defender than Howard, but has actual learned skill...if Hunter were 7 feet tall he would have been a better defender...etc. etc. etc.

lolwut at ur last statement. If Hunter was 6'5'' and longer and more athletic than he would have been at least the defender as Ron Harper if not noticeably better.

Doing what Howard does takes a lot more physical tools and ruggedness/toughness than it does of learned skill. Doing what perimeter defenders do to slow down NBA 1s, 2s and 3s takes a lot more actual skill because they are the ones who are making the decisions and moving in various directions with the basketball - especially at defending the PG position.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

When did the argument change from "better" to "valuable"? Those terms are not synonymous. And if there are lesser of a player in a particular area, does that not increase his value?

But forget that argument. As has been pointed out numerous times...THIS YEAR...Lebron was the best defender in the NBA. He had the best year defensively. Whether you want to talk about Howard's injuries, or the inability of certain Heat players to play at a high level defensively this year (Battier anyone?). Rami fails to notice that Battier did not have a good year this year, on either side of the ball.

Whatever way you want to look at it, Lebron was both more valuable and the best this season.

Factoring in Howard's injuries is one thing, but you cannot possibly believe that in general Howard's defense is inferior to LeBron's in terms of everything weighed-in. And was LeBron really a more valuable defensive player than Tyson Chandler this year? Do you actually believe that?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

So every NBA player is "great" since they area ll pretty fucking skilled..hence them being in the NBA.

Awesome standard.

Every NBA player is obviously skilled but some are more skilled than others in certain ways. You can't be a player of Hunter's size (smaller than 95+% of NBA players) and still widely acknowledged for your great defense unless you REALLY know the fucking ropes better than the vast majority of other players.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

It is called giving Hunter credit- not tearing Harper down. And obviously James would be the best player of all-time basically on defense if he was 7 feet tall.

 

[FirstTimer]

Every NBA player is obviously skilled

And obviously great!

 

[FirstTimer]

Every NBA player is obviously skilled but some are more skilled than others in certain ways. You can't be a player of Hunter's size (smaller than 95+% of NBA players) and still widely acknowledged for your great defense unless you REALLY know the fucking ropes better than the vast majority of other players.

So "widely acknowledged" that the coaches never gave him enough votes to make an all NBA defensive team once in 17 years.

Got it.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

So I guess we should penalize Dwight Howard because he is bigger and a better stopper than LeBron James. I can't wrap my mind around how some of you are refusing to acknowledge than Dwight is much more of a defensive force than LeBron James.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

So "widely acknowledged" that the coaches never gave him enough votes to make an all NBA defensive team once in 17 years.

Got it.

Around 25 teams with 12-15 players on each of them. Not every great defender can make the cut. Hunter was better than almost everybody at knowing how to defend the perimeter but that doesn't automatically equate to being as effective as them.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

What does "better stopper" mean. I don't understand it when you use these nebulous terms and treat them all as being interchangeable.

If you understood what they meant then you wouldnt see them as interchangeable. Stopper/rim and basket-defender are typically center who are 6'10 and over with shot-blocking and altering ability in the paint (where the highest percentage shots are taken).

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

But some are more great than others in certain ways. For instance, Lindsay Hunter was greater at defense than Lebron James.

In knowledge of how to shut a player down man-to-man, I'd say Hunter was better than LeBron James on defense.

 

[houheffna]

Factoring in Howard's injuries is one thing, but you cannot possibly believe that in general Howard's defense is inferior to LeBron's in terms of everything weighed-in. And was LeBron really a more valuable defensive player than Tyson Chandler this year? Do you actually believe that?

Lol...yes! And so do the coaches! I can name players who are just as impactful as Chandler. I can't find many in league history who can do what Lebron does on a nightly basis.

 

[FirstTimer]

Around 25 teams with 12-15 players on each of them. Not every great defender can make the cut. Hunter was better than almost everybody at knowing how to defend the perimeter but that doesn't automatically equate to being as effective as them.

:lol: at this.

Hunter was so "widely acknowledged" for his defensive prowess as a "great" defender that he couldn't squeeze in ONE All NBA 2nd team nod. I'm not even asking for a 1st team.

I would think that being able to physically apply that knowledge would be pretty fucking important in being a great defender. Saying Hunter knows defense really well, and him actually being an elite defender are two completely separate issues.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

In my 20 years of being an NBA fan, I have never heard anybody say Lindsey Hunter was a great defender. And Lindsey was not brought in to help the Bulls with perimeter defense. He was brought in to help Derrick Rose.