Niemis Arbitration

[PatrickShart]

Turco was a sieve this year? Hmmmm



.913% (T-12th) with Chris Mason,& Luongo

4 Shutouts - (T-5th)



Dallas allowed the 11th most shots in the league

 

[Larmer83]

Time for some predictions. Will Niemi go to arb? Whats the award? Do the Hawks walk away? If the Hawks and Niemi settle prior to arbitration, what's the cap hit and how many years?



Arbitration= $2.45 million. Hawks accept.

Settle= $2.2 million cap hit. 2 years.

Zito blinks and they don't get to arbitration

 

[EbonyRaptor]

I believe the arbitration hearing is at 9am EST on Thursday. That gives Bowman and Zito another (roughly) 36 hours to keep playing chicken. I think it has worked well for Bowman so far because Zito (and Niemi) know that there isn't too much cap space left. The roster as it stands right now will have 8 or 9 low cost players - there isn't much fat left on the bone. Therefore Zito has less leverage and if either of them will cave, I've got to think it will be Zito. Course that's assuming Niemi would prefer to stay with the Hawks. If Niemi is awarded more than the Hawks want to pay, the Hawks would probably let him go and sign someone else - and Niemi may end up taking less than what the Hawks were offering and playing for a team that doesn't put an elite defensive team in front of him.



BTW - the article by DeFransesco - he wrote that if Niemi is awarded above $3M, that the Hawks might opt for a sign and trade. I'm pretty sure the player can't be traded for 1 year after arbitration. I would have thought a hockey writer would know his subject matter. Journalism in the 21st century - non existant.

 

[whalerhawk]

[quote name="bierboy"]

The logic (for Turco) would be playing for a much better team that makes him look better, thereby netting him a larger contract after his stint with the Hawks.[/quote]

A MUCH better team? We lost a lot of talent in the offseason and the Flyers took us to 6 hard fought one goal games. Did you forget that? I wouldn't say we were or currently are MUCH better than the Flyers.

 

[whalerhawk]

[quote name="ebonyraptor"]I believe the arbitration hearing is at 9am EST on Thursday. That gives Bowman and Zito another (roughly) 36 hours to keep playing chicken. I think it has worked well for Bowman so far because Zito (and Niemi) know that there isn't too much cap space left. The roster as it stands right now will have 8 or 9 low cost players - there isn't much fat left on the bone. Therefore Zito has less leverage and if either of them will cave, I've got to think it will be Zito. Course that's assuming Niemi would prefer to stay with the Hawks. If Niemi is awarded more than the Hawks want to pay, the Hawks would probably let him go and sign someone else - and Niemi may end up taking less than what the Hawks were offering and playing for a team that doesn't put an elite defensive team in front of him.



BTW - the article by DeFransesco - he wrote that if Niemi is awarded above $3M, that the Hawks might opt for a sign and trade. I'm pretty sure the player can't be traded for 1 year after arbitration. I would have thought a hockey writer would know his subject matter. Journalism in the 21st century - non existant.[/quote]

A player can't be traded for 1 year after a team matches his offer sheet. A player can be traded after winning an arbitration hearing. Why don't YOU get your facts straight before calling someone out.

 

[bierboy]

[quote name="whalerhawk"]

A MUCH better team? We lost a lot of talent in the offseason and the Flyers took us to 6 hard fought one goal games. Did you forget that? I wouldn't say we were or currently are MUCH better than the Flyers.[/quote]

Wow.....talk about

 

[Guest]

[quote name="whalerhawk"]

A MUCH better team? We lost a lot of talent in the offseason and the Flyers took us to 6 hard fought one goal games. Did you forget that? I wouldn't say we were or currently are MUCH better than the Flyers.[/quote]



Yes the Hawks were a much better team than the Stars, which Turco played with. Yes the Hawks were a much DEEPER and better team than the Flyers. Thats why their top two D men were skating over 26 minutes per game and GASSED by game #6.



I would say you are cracked if you don't think the Hawks core is far more talented than that of the flyers.



6 hard fought games? Game #5 must have slipped your memory. Or game #4 where we didn't show up until late in the 3rd and still had a chance to win a game we were down 3-0 in.



Unless I completely misunderstood what you typed there.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="ebonyraptor"]I believe the arbitration hearing is at 9am EST on Thursday. That gives Bowman and Zito another (roughly) 36 hours to keep playing chicken. I think it has worked well for Bowman so far because Zito (and Niemi) know that there isn't too much cap space left. The roster as it stands right now will have 8 or 9 low cost players - there isn't much fat left on the bone. Therefore Zito has less leverage and if either of them will cave, I've got to think it will be Zito. Course that's assuming Niemi would prefer to stay with the Hawks. If Niemi is awarded more than the Hawks want to pay, the Hawks would probably let him go and sign someone else - and Niemi may end up taking less than what the Hawks were offering and playing for a team that doesn't put an elite defensive team in front of him.



BTW - the article by DeFransesco - he wrote that if Niemi is awarded above $3M, that the Hawks might opt for a sign and trade. I'm pretty sure the player can't be traded for 1 year after arbitration. I would have thought a hockey writer would know his subject matter. Journalism in the 21st century - non existant.[/quote]



Completely incorrect.



Maybe you should know what the hell you are talking about before looking like a complete idiot.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="pmxc12873"]Turco was a sieve this year? Hmmmm



.913% (T-12th) with Chris Mason,& Luongo

4 Shutouts - (T-5th)



Dallas allowed the 11th most shots in the league[/quote]



There you go again throwing out blatant facts. STOP IT!

 

[winos5]

I love the idea of Turco in net with our top 4- d men signed. His skill moving the puck is a perfect match for our speedy skilled top 2 lines. Turco is money on the Blackhawks.

 

[Pez68]

[quote name="winos5"]I love the idea of Turco in net with our top 4- d men signed. His skill moving the puck is a perfect match for our speedy skilled top 2 lines. Turco is money on the Blackhawks.[/quote]



Something a lot of people keep overlooking... The guy is a third defenseman back there. He makes it very, very difficult for a team to execute much dump and chase against whatever team he plays for. Turco + Campbell + Keith + our team speed = win.

 

[Ton]

[quote name="Pez68"]



Something a lot of people keep overlooking... The guy is a third defenseman back there. He makes it very, very difficult for a team to execute much dump and chase against whatever team he plays for. Turco + Campbell + Keith + our team speed = win.[/quote]



Agreed, I wouldn't mind if Niemi's award was over $3M if it meant that Turco would be a Hawk. He would absolutely fit our style.

 

[TSD]

[quote name="ebonyraptor"]I believe the arbitration hearing is at 9am EST on Thursday. That gives Bowman and Zito another (roughly) 36 hours to keep playing chicken. I think it has worked well for Bowman so far because Zito (and Niemi) know that there isn't too much cap space left. The roster as it stands right now will have 8 or 9 low cost players - there isn't much fat left on the bone. Therefore Zito has less leverage and if either of them will cave, I've got to think it will be Zito. Course that's assuming Niemi would prefer to stay with the Hawks. If Niemi is awarded more than the Hawks want to pay, the Hawks would probably let him go and sign someone else - and Niemi may end up taking less than what the Hawks were offering and playing for a team that doesn't put an elite defensive team in front of him.



BTW - the article by DeFransesco - he wrote that if Niemi is awarded above $3M, that the Hawks might opt for a sign and trade. I'm pretty sure the player can't be traded for 1 year after arbitration. I would have thought a hockey writer would know his subject matter. Journalism in the 21st century - non existant.[/quote]





yeah it would be a good idea to at least be 99 percent sure you are right before basically calling someone a hack.

 

[whalerhawk]

[quote name="R K"]



Yes the Hawks were a much better team than the Stars, which Turco played with. Yes the Hawks were a much DEEPER and better team than the Flyers. Thats why their top two D men were skating over 26 minutes per game and GASSED by game #6.



I would say you are cracked if you don't think the Hawks core is far more talented than that of the flyers.



6 hard fought games? Game #5 must have slipped your memory. Or game #4 where we didn't show up until late in the 3rd and still had a chance to win a game we were down 3-0 in.



Unless I completely misunderstood what you typed there.[/quote]

What I am saying Ron, is this. If I am Marty Turco, I have confidence in my abilities. I saw what Leighton did in the playoffs and I say "if I am in net, they don't lose that series." With $2 million on the line and a definite starting role, depressed salaries for every goalie out there in free agency?, I take that offer and I run with it. I don't sit on the sidelines hoping that some arbitrator gives Niemi a huge contract with no precident, so I can swoop in and play for the Stanley Cup champions at a 25% discount.



Yes, the Hawks are deeper than the Flyers, but that series was very tight. If we are matched up with that team 100 times, we probably win 70 of those series, but if I am Marty Turco, I have to believe that signing with that team swings the pendulum over to more of a 55/45 split.



Wouldn't a goalie like Turco say something like this?... "that team got all the way to the finals without me and goaltending was its weak link. Imagine what they could do with me?" Why wouldn't he say that? Why would he put all his eggs in one basket unless he's being sold a bill of goods from either his agent, or someone high up in the Hawks organization?

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Turco would be a great addition, especially for the amount we could likely get him for. Anyone who thinks he would be a detriment to the team is kind of silly.



Oh well, I've wanted him since the trade deadline. If you can have a solid goalie (as good as Niemi) that is one of the best puck moving goalies along with the speed of the defense... HEYO!



Niemi gave me a heart attack every time he went out to play the puck and cost himself a few goals this year.

 

[whalerhawk]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]Turco would be a great addition, especially for the amount we could likely get him for. Anyone who thinks he would be a detriment to the team is kind of silly.



Oh well, I've wanted him since the trade deadline. If you can have a solid goalie (as good as Niemi) that is one of the best puck moving goalies along with the speed of the defense... HEYO!



Niemi gave me a heart attack every time he went out to play the puck and cost himself a few goals this year.[/quote]

Ton, Can you check the security settings on the site? I think Stu's account has been hacked.

 

[Kerfuffle]

Not sure what the love affair is about here with Turco. I saw several games in Dallas this year and he was god awful - worse than Huet. You can put up SV% to back your opinion but here's 2 hard core facts that are being overlooked.



FACT: Turco LOST his job in Dallas this year

FACT: There is no market for Turco and no team has been clamoring to get their hands on him.



People are betting here that all we need is our top 4-D men and you can put just anybody between the pipes. Bottom line - if Turco is plan B we better sign Niemi. IMO Turco is only one step better than Huet and that's not saying much.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="whalerhawk"]

What I am saying Ron, is this. If I am Marty Turco, I have confidence in my abilities. I saw what Leighton did in the playoffs and I say "if I am in net, they don't lose that series." With $2 million on the line and a definite starting role, depressed salaries for every goalie out there in free agency?, I take that offer and I run with it. I don't sit on the sidelines hoping that some arbitrator gives Niemi a huge contract with no precident, so I can swoop in and play for the Stanley Cup champions at a 25% discount.



Yes, the Hawks are deeper than the Flyers, but that series was very tight. If we are matched up with that team 100 times, we probably win 70 of those series, but if I am Marty Turco, I have to believe that signing with that team swings the pendulum over to more of a 55/45 split.



Wouldn't a goalie like Turco say something like this?... "that team got all the way to the finals without me and goaltending was its weak link. Imagine what they could do with me?" Why wouldn't he say that? Why would he put all his eggs in one basket unless he's being sold a bill of goods from either his agent, or someone high up in the Hawks organization?[/quote]



Well according to reports he's already said he would prefer t come to Chicago. So your assumption was not correct. No WAY would the Flyers have won with Turco in net. Dude they were skating with 4 Dmen. Again, by game six Pronger and Timmonen were exhausted and spent. He would come here to play with Kane, Toews, Hossa, Sharp, Seabrook, Keith, Campbell, Hjarlmarsson, who ALL HAVE THEIR NAME ON THE CUP FOR A REASON.



I can't believe you are still slighting the Hawks. I think you are dead wrong in both your assumptions about the Flyers and Turco.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]Not sure what the love affair is about here with Turco. I saw several games in Dallas this year and he was god awful - worse than Huet. You can put up SV% to back your opinion but here's 2 hard core facts that are being overlooked.



FACT: Turco LOST his job in Dallas this year

FACT: There is no market for Turco and no team has been clamoring to get their hands on him.



People are betting here that all we need is our top 4-D men and you can put just anybody between the pipes. Bottom line - if Turco is plan B we better sign Niemi. IMO Turco is only one step better than Huet and that's not saying much.[/quote]



Stop smoking the weed.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="whalerhawk"]

Ton, Can you check the security settings on the site? I think Stu's account has been hacked.[/quote]



He's just no longer faking who he really is.