Niemis Arbitration

[Rdrhwke]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]Turco would be a great addition, especially for the amount we could likely get him for. Anyone who thinks he would be a detriment to the team is kind of silly.



Oh well, I've wanted him since the trade deadline. If you can have a solid goalie (as good as Niemi) that is one of the best puck moving goalies along with the speed of the defense... HEYO!



Niemi gave me a heart attack every time he went out to play the puck and cost himself a few goals this year.[/quote]





WHOA, WHOA, WHOAAAAAAAAAA



Who the **** are you and what did you do with Stu???

 

[Kerfuffle]

[quote name="R K"]

Stop smoking the weed.[/quote]

You really think Turco is that great of a goalie? Remember we're not talking the Turco of the 2008 Conference Finals. The last 2 years his game has declined. Dallas couldn't wait to get rid of him. And this is the guy you want in net this year? Why??

 

[IceHogsFan]

Why the love for a goalie that we are talking about signing for one year?

 

[bierboy]

[quote name="whalerhawk"]

Ton, Can you check the security settings on the site? I think Stu's account has been hacked.[/quote]

This.

 

[Larmer83]

Take me now Jesus.

http://www.rds.ca/hockey/chroniques/303332.html



Translated-

José Théodore would be in the focus of the Chicago Blackhawks, depending on what says the daily La Presse.



The title of the Stanley Cup champions would have contacted the Quebec goalkeeper in the last days and jongleraient even with the idea to offer him the number one goalkeeper work.



Future of Theodore in Chicago depends largely on the decision that tomorrow takes an arbitrator in the case of Antti Niemi contract.



The Finnish cerbère would require an annual pay for more than 3 million $, pay the Blackhawks could not offer him due to thin margin of manoeuvre of the team with the wage ceiling.



Niemi would become autonomous uncompensated player since he would not agree with Chicago within 48 hours following the decision of the arbitrator and Theodore would be a potential candidate to defend the Blackhawks NET.



Last year, while he was wearing the colours of the Washington Capitals, Theodore has presented a 30 victories against seven defeats any folder now a percentage.911 stop and average goals of 2.81.

 

[bierboy]

[quote name="Larmer83"]Take me now Jesus...[/quote]

Me, too....

 

[whalerhawk]

[quote name="R K"]



Well according to reports he's already said he would prefer t come to Chicago. So your assumption was not correct. No WAY would the Flyers have won with Turco in net. Dude they were skating with 4 Dmen. Again, by game six Pronger and Timmonen were exhausted and spent. He would come here to play with Kane, Toews, Hossa, Sharp, Seabrook, Keith, Campbell, Hjarlmarsson, who ALL HAVE THEIR NAME ON THE CUP FOR A REASON.



I can't believe you are still slighting the Hawks. I think you are dead wrong in both your assumptions about the Flyers and Turco.[/quote]

How do you take that as a slight against the Hawks? Are you kidding me? After four games of the SCF, the series was tied 2-2 and the main reason that was the case was because Leighton was terrible in that series. It easily could have been 3-1 Flyers after the first four games of that series. Yes, the Flyers ran out of gas, and YES we were the better team. I never said we weren't. But to totally dismiss the Flyers as worthy competition is just plain wrong. To just about everyone not wearing Blackhawks colored glasses, the Flyers are Cup contenders with better play between the pipes. Maybe I'm the only one not foolish enough to see that.



If Turco had a choice, Chicago or Philly, and a starting job could be had in either location, then the choice is obvious. But what I am saying is that a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush and a LOT of variables have to play in Turco's favor for him to wind up as our starter next year. That's too much risk for me if I was in his shoes. Instead of winding up in Philly, he could very easily end up without a job entirely or playing out his NHL career as a backup.



If Turco is truly sitting around waiting for the Hawks to pass on Niemi's arbitration award, then he's an idiot.

 

[Tater]

Oh for fucks sakes.

 

[Kerfuffle]

[quote name="whalerhawk"]

If Turco is truly sitting around waiting for the Hawks to pass on Niemi's arbitration award, then he's an idiot.[/quote]

I don't think Turco's phone is ringing - no one wants him. If we can't keep Niemi then Turco will be a settle-for.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

I don't think Turco's phone is ringing - no one wants him. If we can't keep Niemi then Turco will be a settle-for.[/quote]





How can you say this. I'm almost 100% positive it was said he already turned down two teams, and one of them was the Flyers.



As for settle for is the air thinner up there in the 300 level now a days?

 

[Guest]

[quote name="whalerhawk"]

How do you take that as a slight against the Hawks? Are you kidding me? After four games of the SCF, the series was tied 2-2 and the main reason that was the case was because Leighton was terrible in that series. It easily could have been 3-1 Flyers after the first four games of that series. Yes, the Flyers ran out of gas, and YES we were the better team. I never said we weren't. But to totally dismiss the Flyers as worthy competition is just plain wrong. To just about everyone not wearing Blackhawks colored glasses, the Flyers are Cup contenders with better play between the pipes. Maybe I'm the only one not foolish enough to see that.



If Turco had a choice, Chicago or Philly, and a starting job could be had in either location, then the choice is obvious. But what I am saying is that a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush and a LOT of variables have to play in Turco's favor for him to wind up as our starter next year. That's too much risk for me if I was in his shoes. Instead of winding up in Philly, he could very easily end up without a job entirely or playing out his NHL career as a backup.



If Turco is truly sitting around waiting for the Hawks to pass on Niemi's arbitration award, then he's an idiot.[/quote]





Who knows what he's doing? How about Theodore? There is no rush for either of those guys to sign anything. Especially when there is a posibility of one of them playing for a team that CAN compete for the Cup.



When you have a possible chance to play for a team that COULD wind up in the SC Finals and want that, how are you an idiot.



You aren't nor will ever be in his shoes, so can't even imagine what it would be like.



Yikes Evan. Just Yikes!



As for Leighton being terrible you should go gander at the Numbers and see just what Niemi's SV% and GAA were. As for you being the only one not foolish, again I've pointed out exactly why the flyers lost. It was their DEFENSE more so than goal tending. Niemi was NO better then Leighton in that series. The NUMBERS speak for themselves.

 

[PatrickShart]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

You really think Turco is that great of a goalie? Remember we're not talking the Turco of the 2008 Conference Finals. The last 2 years his game has declined. Dallas couldn't wait to get rid of him. And this is the guy you want in net this year? Why??[/quote]



Fact - (since you like using that word)....the only thing declined in Turco this year, was his games played. His .913% last year is above his career avg (.911%), and was the best its been in 5 yrs (.898, .910,.909,.898, .913)



Fact - Turco played in 14 more games than Niemi and saw 669 more shots in those 14gms - which avgs to 47.8 shots per game



Fact - Turco is regarded as one of the best - if not the best puck handling goalie in the league



He's had some exceptional playoffs....

07-08 - 2.08ga .922% - lost in conf finals to cup winning DET (.910% in series), had a 61sv on 62 shot gm versus SJ to clinch the series

06-07 - 1.30ga .952% 3 shutouts in losing in 7gms to VAN

05-06 - 3.39ga .868% - lost in 5 to COL

03-04 - 3.32ga .849% - lost in 5 to COL

02-03 - 1.88ga .919% - lost to ANA in 2nd rnd (ANA lost in 7 in finals)



Career playoff numbers - 2.17ga .914%







You don't think there's a market for Turco? Philly was all over him - and offered him a 3yr deal on June 28th - before FA started. I'd bet Turco is in the NHL at training camp - he and his agent have said they wanted to see what teams/jobs are available and were in no hurry to sign. You really don't think teams that have been looking havent called his agent? ALOT is going to depend on what happens with Niemi....but I'd bet he's in CHI, SJ, WASH or PHILLY.



(sigh)

 

[Guest]

There you go again with "Facts" Pmx.



******!



I'm not a huge Theordore fan but am confident ANY of the three, Niemi, Turco and or Theodore can handle the duties behind Keith-Seabrook, Campbell and Hjarlmarsson.



Something about having the best top four in the league.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Kerfuffle"]

You really think Turco is that great of a goalie? Remember we're not talking the Turco of the 2008 Conference Finals. The last 2 years his game has declined. Dallas couldn't wait to get rid of him. And this is the guy you want in net this year? Why??[/quote]





PMX answered this for you.

 

[tvltre]

[quote name="R K"]There you go again with "Facts" Pmx.



******!



I'm not a huge Theordore fan but am confident ANY of the three, Niemi, Turco and or Theodore can handle the duties behind Keith-Seabrook, Campbell and Hjarlmarsson.



Something about having the best top four in the league.[/quote]



Well, I am sold on those numbers that don't lie! Sign him up.

 

[PatrickShart]

As far as Philly being better...well, they've swapped Gagne for Zherdev .....I think Gagne's production the last 2 years is still better than Zherdov's (and ask any coach about work ethic, leadership between those 2)



Thier D group added O'Donnel and Walker at 5-6 Dmen (pylons) and added Meszaros to their top 4 of Timonen, Pronger, Coburn and Carle



The fact that they're at the cap means if they want Turco - one of those top 5 will go via salary dump. If they cant get that done....Leighton/Boucher it is.



Philly must go for it this year with Giroux, Lieno and Carter up at years end and Leighton/Boucher isnt going to get it done.



They'll have the same problems this year as they did last. And if Boston didnt have all those injuries - no way they beat them after being down 0-3

 

[tvltre]

[quote name="R K"]There you go again with "Facts" Pmx.



******!



I'm not a huge Theordore fan but am confident ANY of the three, Niemi, Turco and or Theodore can handle the duties behind Keith-Seabrook, Campbell and Hjarlmarsson.



Something about having the best top four in the league.[/quote]



You are also forgetting the defensive forwards on this team!

 

[Guest]

[quote name="tvltre"]



Well, I am sold on those numbers that don't lie! Sign him up.[/quote]





And I love Niemi. I saw him skate in NA long before most "Hawk Fans" did and fell in love with his style. That said realistically he's played 64 games in the NHL. 64 games. Is that enough to play hard ball with the team that just helped him get his name on the Cup for 500k per year? Really?



His name is on the Cup so he can go for the big pay day I guess. Experience or not. That said this fiasco, knowing the Cap issues the Hawks are in, have knocked my like for the guy DOWN a few levels.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="pmxc12873"]As far as Philly being better...well, they've swapped Gagne for Zherdev .....I think Gagne's production the last 2 years is still better than Zherdov's (and ask any coach about work ethic, leadership between those 2)



Thier D group added O'Donnel and Walker at 5-6 Dmen (pylons) and added Meszaros to their top 4 of Timonen, Pronger, Coburn and Carle



The fact that they're at the cap means if they want Turco - one of those top 5 will go via salary dump. If they cant get that done....Leighton/Boucher it is.



Philly must go for it this year with Giroux, Lieno and Carter up at years end and Leighton/Boucher isnt going to get it done.



They'll have the same problems this year as they did last. And if Boston didnt have all those injuries - no way they beat them after being down 0-3[/quote]



They weren't better last year, and they arent going to be better this year.



By game 5 their top four will once again be dead against ANY team with Depth.

 

[whalerhawk]

[quote name="R K"]





Who knows what he's doing? How about Theodore? There is no rush for either of those guys to sign anything. Especially when there is a posibility of one of them playing for a team that CAN compete for the Cup.



When you have a possible chance to play for a team that COULD wind up in the SC Finals and want that, how are you an idiot.



You aren't nor will ever be in his shoes, so can't even imagine what it would be like.



Yikes Evan. Just Yikes!



As for Leighton being terrible you should go gander at the Numbers and see just what Niemi's SV% and GAA were. As for you being the only one not foolish, again I've pointed out exactly why the flyers lost. It was their DEFENSE more so than goal tending. Niemi was NO better then Leighton in that series. The NUMBERS speak for themselves.[/quote]

I don't think Niemi had a great SCF, but he was NO DOUBT better than Leighton. Niemi was a big reason we won game 2. Maybe THE reason. I don't remember Leighton making a big save in the entire series, except for maybe the first 10 minutes of game 5.