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One day maybe we will be competitive I guess. As a long time bears fan I won't hold my breath.
You think Yannick Ngoukawe is the difference between being competitive and not being competitive? If that's the case, you'd think at least one of the other 31 teams would have jumped on him by now.
 

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You think Yannick Ngoukawe is the difference between being competitive and not being competitive? If that's the case, you'd think at least one of the other 31 teams would have jumped on him by now.
I don't remember saying that, would have liked to have seen us add a few more players. All season we heard about all this cap space we were gonna have and didn't do much. 2024 will be our year if not 2025 for sure lol
 

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Herbert is UFA after 2024 season and won't require a big contract most likely.
True, but i forgot about Kmet as well. You've got Tonyan who you might want to re-sign if he fits in well. Then you've got 3 of your 5 offensive linemen on rookie contracts, and if Jenkins can stay healthy and play at the level he did last year then he'll command a big contract.

I just object to the idea that if you have $10 million in cap space then you need to sign a guy for $10 million, especially when you're a young rebuilding team with lots of guys developing and hopefully due big contracts as franchise cornerstones, then being in position to retain those guys. Signing a guy for a year is fine but the coaching staff has got more of a look at guys like Gipson and Robinson than we have. Maybe they like those guys to take a big step once the interior is more disruptive and able to help with the run to rush the passer at a similar level to Ngoukawe and are going to wait until training camp to get a better idea (which is my guess).
 

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We need to be somewhat competitive this year and make the playoffs because if not I feel like it's hard to get top free agents to want to play here. There will be some after only money but good players want a chance at a superbowl, I get the plan it's just frustrating lol

One day maybe we will be competitive I guess. As a long time bears fan I won't hold my breath.
That's simply not true.

Of players switching teams:
The top paid FA QB went to the Saints
The top paid FA RB went to the Panthers
The top paid FA WR went to the Jets
The top paid FA TE went to the Panthers
The top paid FA OT went to the Broncos
The top paid FA OC went to the Giants
The top paid FA OG went to the Broncos
The top paid FA EDGE went to the Broncos
The top paid FA DL went to the SF
The top paid FA LB went to the Bears
The top paid FA CB went to the Lions
The top paid FA SA went to the Falcons

Of those positions all were the top FA paid player at their position other than C and CB with a few players electing to re-sign.
Not a single player went to a top 5 Super Bowl odds team other than Hargrave and he chose to actually leave the NFC Super Bowl representative and odds on favorite to be in next seasons SB.
 

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I don't remember saying that, would have liked to have seen us add a few more players. All season we heard about all this cap space we were gonna have and didn't do much. 2024 will be our year if not 2025 for sure lol
This year is a stepping stone. It doesn't make any sense to go out and sign stop-gap players to play ahead of the young guys you're trrying to develop when you're not trying to position yourself to make a run in the playoffs. This is year is going to be about figuring out who's your cornerstones and who's your pretenders, then using your cap space in 2024 (along with extra 1st round pick) to start extending your young studs and grabbing higher-end FAs to plug in your biggest gaps.

Edit to add: For example, Jaylon Johnson is pretty good but if he doesn't ball out this year and still isn't a ballhawk then do you want to re-sign him? IMO, no. Can Kmet take another step with DJ Moore in the fold? Can one or both of Gipson/Robinson book-end Walker and maybe even look like an above-average player to re-sign? Can Claypool and/or Mooney step up to be a great WR2? And above all else, can Fields be your super-star that can take the team to the superbowl? All valid questions and more. Let it play out.
 

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LOL, that's all implied because we know he won't re-sign here for backup money. Please stop the silly posts, trying to be right by using something you've already been told.

We obviously know he won't sign for less than starter money. The hedge isn't the amount he signs for, because we know he won't take backup money, but if Poles finds somebody else he would prefer there. Obviously another fail scenario is that he doesn't get offered starter money, leaves and the trade was simply a fail. The last would be if Poles offers him a good deal and he leaves anyway. That would clearly devalue the trade with just one good year to show for it.
LOL, starter money can be anywhere from somewhere around $11/$12 mil per to like $22 mil per, which he definitely won't get, so for me it depends on what the AAV of his contract is to say if he's worth #32. I wish they just traded the Balt 2nd for him and then i don't think many, including me, are as down on that trade. Seems like we both have our own opinion on what will make the trade worth it and whatever i think is right and you think is right doesn't really matter. Never said he'd sign for backup money or even implied it which would be under $10 mil or so, so not sure where you even got that from. He's definitely a starting type WR.
 

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All valid points a good discussion and others views are always welcomed by me rather than arguing or the insults and name calling some posters do here. Thanks
Yep!

I personally think Poles is positioning himself to move on from both Jaylon Johnson and Darnell Mooney. Johnson isn't a ball-hawk and was drafted for a different defense than this one, and Poles went out and drafted 2 corners in this draft and one last year. Claypool is a better theoretical fit alongside DJ Moore as your outside receiver, so if he can play well, i bet Poles has his eye on extending him and letting Mooney walk in favor of Tyler Scott or someone else he might bring in as smaller, twitchier receivers are easier to replace than 6'4" physical freaks like Claypool. But to my point above, you won't know if the above would be smart moves until the end of this coming season.
 

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LOL, starter money can be anywhere from somewhere around $11/$12 mil per to like $22 mil per, which he definitely won't get, so for me it depends on what the AAV of his contract is to say if he's worth #32. I wish they just traded the Balt 2nd for him and then i don't think many, including me, are as down on that trade. Seems like we both have our own opinion on what will make the trade worth it and whatever i think is right and you think is right doesn't really matter. Never said he'd sign for backup money or even implied it which would be under $10 mil or so, so not sure where you even got that from. He's definitely a starting type WR.
Still with this shit. He's not taking a low ball offer, resign and that 2nd is a win. He's not getting low balled and he doesn't need $20m to be a good get. Will there be a better player taken after 32 that you will eventually tell us all about? Welcome to the draft, LOL.

You're a petty little man.
 
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Floyd with only $7m/1 year, thought he would do a bit better than that.

I am not a huge fan of Ngakoue, but at $7m that would be fine for a DPR.
He can get to $9 mil with incentives and it was said that he was offered more from other teams but he wanted a chance at a super bowl.
 

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Still with this shit. He's not taking a low ball offer, resign and that 2nd is a win.
You're a petty little man.
You seem to be a petty little girl that can't handle someone having a different opinion than you. You don't know what he'll take and neither do i. I don't even know what you think is a low ball offer since you haven't thrown any numbers out there besides saying he won't accept low ball offers. So what's a low ball offer that he won't take and the lowest offer you think he would take?
 

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True, but i forgot about Kmet as well. You've got Tonyan who you might want to re-sign if he fits in well. Then you've got 3 of your 5 offensive linemen on rookie contracts, and if Jenkins can stay healthy and play at the level he did last year then he'll command a big contract.

I just object to the idea that if you have $10 million in cap space then you need to sign a guy for $10 million, especially when you're a young rebuilding team with lots of guys developing and hopefully due big contracts as franchise cornerstones, then being in position to retain those guys. Signing a guy for a year is fine but the coaching staff has got more of a look at guys like Gipson and Robinson than we have. Maybe they like those guys to take a big step once the interior is more disruptive and able to help with the run to rush the passer at a similar level to Ngoukawe and are going to wait until training camp to get a better idea (which is my guess).
I agree in general. I think they could use a solid pass rusher, and at $7m I'd say Ngakoue would be good value. But in general I don't think they need to spend just to spend.
 

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You seem to be a petty little girl that can't handle someone having a different opinion than you. You don't know what he'll take and neither do i. I don't even know what you think is a low ball offer since you haven't thrown any numbers out there besides saying he won't accept low ball offers. So what's a low ball offer that he won't take and the lowest offer you think he would take?
I don't mind any opinion. I hate hedging and spin. I've often said I was wrong here. How about you?
I'm not this time and you're being your usual self.

I'm not even saying the trade was a good one yet but it will be easy to determine by next year. If he's still a Bear in 2024 without a prove it deal due to some unforeseen injury etc. the trade is a win because your silly number stipulations are in fact, silly. Maybe not a big enough win for you but you be you. Oh and come up with your own adjectives, LOL.
 
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I can’t believe that they brought Davis in and then asked Jenkins to move to another position as if Davis is better than him, he’s not!

Davis is pretty weak in pass pro.
I think it's probably a question of how to get the best 5 on the field.
 

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I don't mind any opinion. I hate hedging and spin. I've often said I was wrong here. How about you?
I'm not this time and you're being your usual self.

I'm not even saying the trade was a good one yet but it will be easy to determine by next year. If he's still a Bear without a prove it deal due to some unforeseen injury etc. the trade is a win because your silly number stipulations are in fact, silly. Maybe not a big enough win for you but you be you.
So you have no answers for what you think will be a good or bad deal and just say you'll determine that when you see what he actually gets and you're angry that i also said we'll see what he gets? Impressive stuff and i see why you're so angry with me.....DERP.
 

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Who says he's justified in the move regardless of whatever else was available? You?

The trade should be judged on what kind of player he ends up being for us and then we can decide on our own if it was worth what we gave up to get him.

If we re-sign him then we'll see what kind of money he gets which will determine if the #32 was worth it or not.

LOL, starter money can be anywhere from somewhere around $11/$12 mil per to like $22 mil per, which he definitely won't get, so for me it depends on what the AAV of his contract is to say if he's worth #32. I wish they just traded the Balt 2nd for him and then i don't think many, including me, are as down on that trade. Seems like we both have our own opinion on what will make the trade worth it and whatever i think is right and you think is right doesn't really matter. Never said he'd sign for backup money or even implied it which would be under $10 mil or so, so not sure where you even got that from. He's definitely a starting type WR.


The obsession and angst over this singular move in a year that sees 16 to 17 different positional starters from just over a season ago is stupefying.
 
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So you have no answers for what you think will be a good or bad deal and just say you'll determine that when you see what he actually gets and you're angry that i also said we'll see what he gets? Impressive stuff and i see why you're so angry with me.....DERP.
It's been covered and the 32nd highest paid WR (32 teams) only makes $8.5m per year so your numbers don't reflect anything real. In another year, that will be higher so talking hard numbers now is silly. Value will be self evident but you just won't accept a reasonable statement for a try at a gotcha. The amount will take care of itself. If it's a fail, I'll be the 1st to call it.

and yes, you're constant pissing matches are petty and tiresome.
 

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