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You are both right, and also missing the point.

Do you know why he was a 5th round pick and not a first or second?

Because NFL scouts suspected he's have issues with his anchor. If he didn't have that issue, he WOULD HAVE BEEN a first or second rounder.

So you unwittingly answered your own argument.

If that is your line of thinking then a ton of great players would have never been given a chance to succeed. Richard Dent was an 8th round pick, Imagine if the bears gave up on him after one season....
 

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Orlando Brown. Asked and answered.

Just understand though, I am not saying Brown is the long term solution. But he is an improvement over the current Braxton Jones, even with Brown's shortcomings, and can buy the Bears time to invest in developing Jones while still giving Justin the protection he needs on his blind side.

Frankly, I'd even rather them draft a LT. Paris Johnson is a name I like, or, for a better project, I would love to have them draft Dawand Jones, and try him at LT - I know he's always played RT, but the dude has a build like Jason Peters from what I saw - I think he could be a stud there.

And if you really think Braxton can develop that anchor, I would actually kick him inside and have him compete with Whitehair for his LG spot. If nothing else, you then make Braxton extremely versatile, which would be HUGE, for both him and the Bears.
Brown is similarly graded as Braxton Jones but will cost another $22 million per year. Hard fucking no
 

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Orlando Brown. Asked and answered.

Just understand though, I am not saying Brown is the long term solution. But he is an improvement over the current Braxton Jones, even with Brown's shortcomings, and can buy the Bears time to invest in developing Jones while still giving Justin the protection he needs on his blind side.

Frankly, I'd even rather them draft a LT. Paris Johnson is a name I like, or, for a better project, I would love to have them draft Dawand Jones, and try him at LT - I know he's always played RT, but the dude has a build like Jason Peters from what I saw - I think he could be a stud there.

And if you really think Braxton can develop that anchor, I would actually kick him inside and have him compete with Whitehair for his LG spot. If nothing else, you then make Braxton extremely versatile, which would be HUGE, for both him and the Bears.
Lol Orlando Brown isn't the long term answer but you want to give him the massive long term contract he wants. Thanks for the answer confirming you don't know what you are talking about
 

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Orlando Brown. Asked and answered.

Just understand though, I am not saying Brown is the long term solution. But he is an improvement over the current Braxton Jones, even with Brown's shortcomings, and can buy the Bears time to invest in developing Jones while still giving Justin the protection he needs on his blind side.

Frankly, I'd even rather them draft a LT. Paris Johnson is a name I like, or, for a better project, I would love to have them draft Dawand Jones, and try him at LT - I know he's always played RT, but the dude has a build like Jason Peters from what I saw - I think he could be a stud there.

And if you really think Braxton can develop that anchor, I would actually kick him inside and have him compete with Whitehair for his LG spot. If nothing else, you then make Braxton extremely versatile, which would be HUGE, for both him and the Bears.
None of this makes sense.
 

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Lol Orlando Brown isn't the long term answer but you want to give him the massive long term contract he wants. Thanks for the answer confirming you don't know what you are talking about

I'd understand signing brown, but I wouldnt like it.

Both him and McGlinchey are both Right Tackles. Both have shit feet. Not sure why you would go away from a guy with great feet for slow big dudes.
 

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Lol Orlando Brown isn't the long term answer but you want to give him the massive long term contract he wants. Thanks for the answer confirming you don't know what you are talking about
I’m not against looking at upgrades but
1. Brown isn’t much of an upgrade
2. Will cost another $20 million per season.

Lol, this is easy
 

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Orlando Brown. Asked and answered.

Just understand though, I am not saying Brown is the long term solution. But he is an improvement over the current Braxton Jones, even with Brown's shortcomings, and can buy the Bears time to invest in developing Jones while still giving Justin the protection he needs on his blind side.

Frankly, I'd even rather them draft a LT. Paris Johnson is a name I like, or, for a better project, I would love to have them draft Dawand Jones, and try him at LT - I know he's always played RT, but the dude has a build like Jason Peters from what I saw - I think he could be a stud there.

And if you really think Braxton can develop that anchor, I would actually kick him inside and have him compete with Whitehair for his LG spot. If nothing else, you then make Braxton extremely versatile, which would be HUGE, for both him and the Bears.
You’re going to reset the market for OTs with a guy who isn’t the long term solution? Poles knows Brown quite well, so we’ll see what he thinks shortly.

I definitely like Johnson Jr. and Jones. If they drafted both of them, I’d love it.

I’m for any solution that ultimately solidifies this line. I do believe Poles thinks Jones is his LT.
 

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He fell apart this past season, and is better suited to a gap power system.
Yeah i know but that whole OL/team fell apart so not sure it can all or mostly be placed on him or if he really just broke down.
 

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If that is your line of thinking then a ton of great players would have never been given a chance to succeed. Richard Dent was an 8th round pick, Imagine if the bears gave up on him after one season....

That's really a dumb argument. The NFL has a history of low-drafted offensive linemen in particular sitting for a couple of years and working out and developing, only to shine when they get their chance.

Overall, players like Richard Dent are the exception, not the rule. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round - so the NFL should just not draft quarterbacks until that round? Its the same type of argument.

Players often drop for a good reason. Some don't. Sometimes scouts get it wrong. With the volume of players they have to evaluate, they're bound to get it wrong here and there based on averages.

With Braxton, we aren't talking about potential without seeing him play any more. We've had one season to evaluate. He's not there yet. There's still a lot to like and I can see why Poles likes him.

But realistically, where Jones is right now? On a playoff level team he's a swing tackle.

I'm not writing him off at ALL, but he needs more time to develop and I don't want him protecting Justin's blindside without proving he deserves to be there. If he can beat out a vet we signed to cover the LT spot - now that's a different story.
 

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I'd understand signing brown, but I wouldnt like it.

Both him and McGlinchey are both Right Tackles. Both have shit feet. Not sure why you would go away from a guy with great feet for slow big dudes.

Because both are better than what the Bears had last season. That's straight facts.

Doesn't make them great, or even the long term solution.

But I would support signing both, and then if Braxton can legitimately beat out Brown, then at least that inspires more confidence. Not a single player on this line should have their job just handed to them.
 

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Because both are better than what the Bears had last season. That's straight facts.

Doesn't make them great, or even the long term solution.

But I would support signing both, and then if Braxton can legitimately beat out Brown, then at least that inspires more confidence. Not a single player on this line should have their job just handed to them.

So you want to sign an overrated tackle to the largest contract in team history so he can challenge braxton jones?

Makes sense.
 

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That's really a dumb argument. The NFL has a history of low-drafted offensive linemen in particular sitting for a couple of years and working out and developing, only to shine when they get their chance.

Overall, players like Richard Dent are the exception, not the rule. Tom Brady was drafted in the 6th round - so the NFL should just not draft quarterbacks until that round? Its the same type of argument.

Players often drop for a good reason. Some don't. Sometimes scouts get it wrong. With the volume of players they have to evaluate, they're bound to get it wrong here and there based on averages.

With Braxton, we aren't talking about potential without seeing him play any more. We've had one season to evaluate. He's not there yet. There's still a lot to like and I can see why Poles likes him.

But realistically, where Jones is right now? On a playoff level team he's a swing tackle.

I'm not writing him off at ALL, but he needs more time to develop and I don't want him protecting Justin's blindside without proving he deserves to be there. If he can beat out a vet we signed to cover the LT spot - now that's a different story.
The thing is you’re basing that evaluation off last season. What does he look like after this off season of weight training, conditioning and improved nutrition (hopefully regarding nutrition)?
 

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Because both are better than what the Bears had last season. That's straight facts.

Doesn't make them great, or even the long term solution.

But I would support signing both, and then if Braxton can legitimately beat out Brown, then at least that inspires more confidence. Not a single player on this line should have their job just handed to them.
You are really dumb. The diabetes is clouding your thought process
 

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Because both are better than what the Bears had last season. That's straight facts.

Doesn't make them great, or even the long term solution.

But I would support signing both, and then if Braxton can legitimately beat out Brown, then at least that inspires more confidence. Not a single player on this line should have their job just handed to them.
Right. We don't need elite players at these positions. We may get SOME but we need upgrades. Upgrades at RT/LG for sure, and probably C, too. We need upgrades across the entire DL. So two DT and two DE, and probably some LB help.
 

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