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Didnt say it was pro rated on a per game basis. It would be pro rated over remaining contract years.
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Didnt say it was pro rated on a per game basis. It would be pro rated over remaining contract years.
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not if they don't pick up the option, which is what I thought you were saying.
" Their best option would then be to not to exercise and let it convert to salary "
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If they dont pick up option then the 58m converts to salary. Salary is paid out in17 game checks each week. So was saying that is better because if Pack traded him say after week 7 then the other team would end up paying 34m of that 58m ie 10 game checks.
By contrast if they exercise the option, they have to pay the 58m in full and so they would have eaten all of that prior to the trade.
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They needed all those positions. Thus S and CB were not lesser needs than OL and WR. You're not building a championship caliber team without all of them. Fans seem to get hung up on the order of acquiring players, and woud prefer not to get the BPA just to prioritize a specific position in a year in which they were clearly not contending.
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I would like Lamar to get the contract he seeks. But I would hardly say "checkmate". I can't imagine he is helping his case by negotiating in public. Without an agent is already risky. And this is one reason why. He should stay quiet publicly.
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OK, perhaps, but then they have to have 60+ mil in cap space immediately* and they cannot spread it over mulitple years. That is a non-starter.
Aaron Rodgers current projected Cap hit ( the 32 mil) is calculated assuming the option is executed. It is based on spreading the 40.8 mil in back singing bonus's, the 58m in option bonus, plus the small base salary, and then spreading the bonus's (past and present) through the 2026 season.
If they do not execute the option, then the 40.8m, plus the 58m, plus the 1.1m base all become chargable to the cap in 2023. Dude, that is 100m, an increase of over 68 mil on the current cap charge of 32m currently being used as his cap number for 2023.
Ain't no way in hell GB can do that. Even if they do have maybe 15 mil in cap after signing the rookies, that is still an additional 45-55 mil in cap they need to create. if he unretires, or never retires to begin with, (both scenarios are the same) GB's only option it to pick up the option bonus, or commit suicide.
As for how it is distributed (per game?) and if what might happen if they traded him in week 7 (if it is transferable?) isn't even worth researching because this scenario ain't never going to happen
* by the first day of the season
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We don’t need help running the ball. We need help protecting so we can pass the ball.
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Not the 40.8 because they already exercised and paid that in 2022 so they still get to pro rate that. They have 23m right now in cap space. That includes a cap hit of 32m for Rodgers. So remove that 32 million and in effect they have 55m in cap before figuring out Rodgers cap charge.
So from that 32m you remove the pro ration of 14.575m that was the amount assuming the 2023 option is exercised. That leaves 17.425m which is the base salary and the pro ration of the 40.8m plus SB from the old contract. You then add the 58.3m to that and that is 75.725. That means they would need 20.725m in cap space (75.725m cap hit - 55m in cap prior to including Rodgers cap it). Throw another 10m on that to cover rookie class and emergencies and that is about 30m.
Certainly not small but nowhere near the 100m you citing. Base salary is paid in weekly installments but 18 weeks not 17 because forgot they include the bye. So once the 58.3m becomes base salary it is paid weekly.
But yeah the reality is this whole scenario is fantasy right now. Would be quite stupid for Rodgers to wait until right before the season when he would have no prep time and his new team wants to challenge for a Super Bowl. Hence why that article of yours was speculating he unretires in July ie in team for training camp. Skipping OTAs is one thing but he likely needs a camp with new team ubless he doesnt care about winning.
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Not the 40.8 because they already exercised and paid that in 2022 so they still get to pro rate that.
No, No they don't You are wrong on this. Sorry. It is the same 40.8 they have to eat if Rodgers retires or is traded pre june 1. My figures are correct, and once again, it has been well reported. The only way they can spread it out,is by picking up the option, or cutting him. You were quoting how it would be wise if the Packers did not excercise his option, yet kept him on the roster and tried to trade him.
Prior to this conversation we were speaking on the implications of a pre/post june 1 trade, or the implications if Rodgers Retired/unretired.
You brought up a new scenario, one in which they do not release Rodgers, but opt not to pick up his option.
In that case his cap hit is 100m, and no amount of Vortex will change that. And it will never happen. They would be better served just cutting him, then they get relief by designating him a post june 1 cut, and spreading the 100m cap hit out over two years. But they lose all rights of any compensation in a trade, and Rodgers becomes a FA.
Base salary is paid in weekly installments but 18 weeks not 17 because forgot they include the bye
You are confusing how it might be paid out (which is irrlevant) to how it is calculated for cap purposes. But I am not going to argue this point, because, as I stated earlier, the cap hit to the Packers would be astronomical in this scenario, and you are not calculating it correctly.
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Currently, Rodgers accounts for roughly 32 mil against the Packers cap. The reason for this is Option bonus's are all treated as "likely to be picked up". The following are different scenarios and how they effect the Packers Cap.
1) Traded prior to June 1 40 mil cap hit for 2023 can not be spread across 2 years. Rodgers cap hit for 2023 increases from 32 m to 40 mil and the Packers have a net increase of roughly 8 mil. Team that recieves Aaron Rodgers is responsable for his option bonus.
2) Traded post June 1. (but prior to the first day of the season) 40 mil cap hit can now be spread across two years. Team that recieves Aaron Rodgers is responsable for his option bonus.
3) Cut/released both the 40 mil and the 58 mil become immediately due for a total of 100 mil. Cutting him before June 1st would trigger a dead cap of about $100 million in 2023. Even if they cut him after June 1, it will be a $31.5 million hit this year and $68.2 million cap hit next year while only saving them $50,000 (this year). Packers lose rights to Aaron rodgers
4) Retire -pre June 1 If he were to retire before June 1, it would trigger a $40 million cap hit in 2023, a nearly $9 million increase to his cap number if he were to play. Packers retain rights to Aaron rodgers
5) Retire-Post June 1 That would put his 2023 cap number at $15.8 million and 2024 number at $24.5 million while saving them $15.8 million in the process Packers retain rights to Aaron rodgers
6) Remain on the team-Packers pick up option. 2023 cap hit is as is now reported, 31-32mill, nothing changes as it pertains to the Packers Cap space. Packers retain rights to Aaron rodgers-until the next option bonus becomes due. Then it is decision time again.
7) Remain on the team - Packers do not pick up his option. This essentialy makes 2023 the last year of Aaron Rodgers contract. With all past and present bonus's being charged to 2023. 100 mil. Packers retain rights to Aaron rodgers through 2023. He is not a cut, the the Packers get no cap releif in that regard. His contract is over after 2023, so there are no void years or additional years to spread this huge cap number across, he is essentially a player playing on the last year of his contract.
The only leverage the Packers have against the Jets depends solely on how important it is to the Jets to get Aaron Rodgers into camp prior to OTA's etc. If the jets are willing to wait until after the draft, and possibly until the start of the season, the Packers have zero leverage. Now, that being said, I am sure the Jets do want Aaron Rodgers in camp prior to the first game of the year.
But, if a trade is not exectuted by the Packers prior to the draft, they are in no hurry to execute a trade until the first game of the year. Of course they ultimately are taking the chance that the Jets pivot, and instead go for another option, in which case the Packers are totally fucked. Worse case scenario is if the Packers Gm mishandles this so bad he gets nothing for Aaron Rodgers when he leaves.
Who is going to blink first?
What might Aaron Rodgers do?
My guess is that the Packers and Jets come to an agreement, a trade is executed just prior to the draft, and that trade will likley be a 2nd rounder in 2023, and a conditional pick in 2024.
But if for some reason, a trade is not excecuted prior to the draft, things will get very interesting. This is when Rodgers could give a big middle finger to the Packers, retire after the draft, but prior to June 1. It doesn't put the packers over the top, but it still puts them in a bad place, because they have to prepare for the fact he might "unretire".
1) Traded prior to June 1 40 mil cap hit for 2023 can not be spread across 2 years. Rodgers cap hit for 2023 increases from 32 m to 40 mil and the Packers have a net increase of roughly 8 mil. Team that recieves Aaron Rodgers is responsable for his option bonus.
2) Traded post June 1. (but prior to the first day of the season) 40 mil cap hit can now be spread across two years. Team that recieves Aaron Rodgers is responsable for his option bonus.
3) Cut/released both the 40 mil and the 58 mil become immediately due for a total of 100 mil. Cutting him before June 1st would trigger a dead cap of about $100 million in 2023. Even if they cut him after June 1, it will be a $31.5 million hit this year and $68.2 million cap hit next year while only saving them $50,000 (this year). Packers lose rights to Aaron rodgers
4) Retire -pre June 1 If he were to retire before June 1, it would trigger a $40 million cap hit in 2023, a nearly $9 million increase to his cap number if he were to play. Packers retain rights to Aaron rodgers
5) Retire-Post June 1 That would put his 2023 cap number at $15.8 million and 2024 number at $24.5 million while saving them $15.8 million in the process Packers retain rights to Aaron rodgers
6) Remain on the team-Packers pick up option. 2023 cap hit is as is now reported, 31-32mill, nothing changes as it pertains to the Packers Cap space. Packers retain rights to Aaron rodgers-until the next option bonus becomes due. Then it is decision time again.
7) Remain on the team - Packers do not pick up his option. This essentialy makes 2023 the last year of Aaron Rodgers contract. With all past and present bonus's being charged to 2023. 100 mil. Packers retain rights to Aaron rodgers through 2023. He is not a cut, the the Packers get no cap releif in that regard. His contract is over after 2023, so there are no void years or additional years to spread this huge cap number across, he is essentially a player playing on the last year of his contract.
The only leverage the Packers have against the Jets depends solely on how important it is to the Jets to get Aaron Rodgers into camp prior to OTA's etc. If the jets are willing to wait until after the draft, and possibly until the start of the season, the Packers have zero leverage. Now, that being said, I am sure the Jets do want Aaron Rodgers in camp prior to the first game of the year.
But, if a trade is not exectuted by the Packers prior to the draft, they are in no hurry to execute a trade until the first game of the year. Of course they ultimately are taking the chance that the Jets pivot, and instead go for another option, in which case the Packers are totally fucked. Worse case scenario is if the Packers Gm mishandles this so bad he gets nothing for Aaron Rodgers when he leaves.
Who is going to blink first?
What might Aaron Rodgers do?
My guess is that the Packers and Jets come to an agreement, a trade is executed just prior to the draft, and that trade will likley be a 2nd rounder in 2023, and a conditional pick in 2024.
But if for some reason, a trade is not excecuted prior to the draft, things will get very interesting. This is when Rodgers could give a big middle finger to the Packers, retire after the draft, but prior to June 1. It doesn't put the packers over the top, but it still puts them in a bad place, because they have to prepare for the fact he might "unretire".
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Is it possible @nc0gnet0 and @remydat could be given their own thread in order to facilitate their circuitous masterpiece WRT Aaron fucking Rodgers????
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Dude got like 2 hours of sleep before he got back to talking about Aaron Rodgers contract on a bears message board. I think for hiswn mental health he should be given like a month vacation
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problem is that these traits of his resulted in minimal production
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You should probably do some research on this guy. He’s an excellent pass protector. He just happens to be vicious in the run game. He absolutely dominated Will Anderson the de facto number one edge when he played Alabama. Anderson didn’t get a sniff of Hooker. By the way, Hooker threw for 5 TDs against Bama that day.
He has the pedigree too. He was a 5 star out of HS and could have played anywhere.
Here’s a note on him from PFF via SI:
"Wright started 2020 at right tackle and 2021 at left tackle, then shifted back over to right tackle in 2022," Spielberger wrote. He’s an above-average pass protector on either side with the ability to bulldoze defenders in the run game, which perhaps is more valuable on the right side. Wright allowed just six quarterback hurries and zero sacks in 2022."
That’s no sacks and six hurries playing in the SEC. He has tons of experience playing RT but he has positional flexibility. He would be an excellent choice in a small trade down.
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Last time I brought up wright a bunch of re tards that think the oline is fine told me he doesn’t fit the system ?
