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[botfly10]

Sure but I don't think this is a case of them not telling him this. Getsy talks about footwork and trusting your feet to tell you when to throw all the time. Fields just isn't quite ready to convert theory into practice yet IMO.

Maybe you can incorporate more low to high reads but even then Fields seems to be looking at guys who are NFL open but not throwing so at this point think it is something he has to do himself as I am sure Getsy is showing him all the times he failed to throw when guys were NFL open.

To me it looks like Field just flat out doesn't trust his receivers to be where they're supposed to be.

Those anticipation throws where you release the ball before the WR starts his break... man, these require so much trust in the WR

He almost never pulls the trigger on em and I wonder if there isn't a missing trust component, which imo would be totally understandable

 

[Discus fish salesman]

But Poles got Fields zero help.

You are the king of caping for the bears FO. It's honestly pretty embarrassing. I think poles if he were being honest would say he wasn't able to do much for the offense last offseason because of his resources, but here you are caping because they got a 5th round offensive lineman and spent less money on offense than any other team in the league.

I have no issue with poles and think he worked with what he had available to him and did what he thought was best for the future. But I'm not going to sit here and make up features of this offense that he built up. They have a bad OL and bad WRs.

 

[Bearly]

Sure but I don't think this is a case of them not telling him this. Getsy talks about footwork and trusting your feet to tell you when to throw all the time. Fields just isn't quite ready to convert theory into practice yet IMO.

Maybe you can incorporate more low to high reads but even then Fields seems to be looking at guys who are NFL open but not throwing so at this point think it is something he has to do himself as I am sure Getsy is showing him all the times he failed to throw when guys were NFL open.

ure but it needs to be made a point of emphasis and him be told to not worry about those particular picks any more. Not exactly like camp where to throw a lot of picks to test limits but more of that mentality with an explanation of the rewards available when he figures it out. Not ready is correct. The idea is to make him ready. He's not getting there by overtly continuing to avoid it.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

You are the king of caping for the bears FO. It's honestly pretty embarrassing. I think poles if he were being honest would say he wasn't able to do much for the offense last offseason because of his resources, but here you are caping because they got a 5th round offensive lineman and spent less money on offense than any other team in the league.

I have no issue with poles and think he worked with what he had available to him and did what he thought was best for the future. But I'm not going to sit here and make up features of this offense that he built up. They have a bad OL and bad WRs.

finding a starter at LT is pretty good in the 5th round. if anyone told you that poles would find a starting LT with a 5th round pick, you would take that all day

 

[Bearly]

To me it looks like Field just flat out doesn't trust his receivers to be where they're supposed to be.

Those anticipation throws where you release the ball before the WR starts his break... man, these require so much trust in the WR

He almost never pulls the trigger on em and I wonder if there isn't a missing trust component, which imo would be totally understandable

Then it's on the WR. The O can't work like that nor sustain like this.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

finding a starter at LT is pretty good in the 5th round. if anyone told you that poles would find a starting LT with a 5th round pick, you would take that all day

Yeah, that doesn't really affect my point. And also it is still questionable if Jones is a long term solution at LT. I think he can be a fixture on the OL but he needs to improve from this year to make that happen

 

[botfly10]

Then it's on the WR. The O can't work like that nor sustain like this.

Yeah, it's a tough situation cause on the one hand, Fields needs to work on trusting his reads and letting it rip on time when the reads are there.

On the other hand, his receivers make bad reads resulting in the wrong route often enough that they don't really deserve trust.

It's not a great situation to be in and prob not gon change until next season

 

[Anytime23]

Yeah, that doesn't really affect my point. And also it is still questionable if Jones is a long term solution at LT. I think he can be a fixture on the OL but he needs to improve from this year to make that happen

Yep. Good value for a 5th round pick but its tbd if he's a real starter or just a guy starting on a horrible team. Jmarcus Webb was a starter too.

 

[dabears70]

finding a starter at LT is pretty good in the 5th round. if anyone told you that poles would find a starting LT with a 5th round pick, you would take that all day

Too bad he made that VJJ pick in the 3rd round.

 

[remydat]

To me it looks like Field just flat out doesn't trust his receivers to be where they're supposed to be.

Those anticipation throws where you release the ball before the WR starts his break... man, these require so much trust in the WR

He almost never pulls the trigger on em and I wonder if there isn't a missing trust component, which imo would be totally understandable

Oh definitely think trust is an element to it but somehow he has to move past that. All he can do is make the right read and throw and then it is on the WR. In some ways it is like when you move into a management role. At the end of the day you have to delegate and trust the team to do their job even though you are ultimately held responsible for your team.

ure but it needs to be made a point of emphasis and him be told to not worry about those particular picks any more. Not exactly like camp where to throw a lot of picks to test limits but more of that mentality with an explanation of the rewards available when he figures it out. Not ready is correct. The idea is to make him ready. He's not getting there by overtly continuing to avoid it.

Yeah but who is to say that isn't the message but he still is hesitating? Recall at one point someone asked Getsy about the low completion % after one game and he joked it should have been lower because some balls he should have thrown away instead of taking the sack. So I don't think this is an issue of Getsy and co not telling him to let it rip.

 

[Anytime23]

Too bad he made that VJJ pick in the 3rd round.

Very Ryan Pacesque but at least he didnt trade multiple picks for him.

 

[remydat]

You are the king of caping for the bears FO. It's honestly pretty embarrassing. I think poles if he were being honest would say he wasn't able to do much for the offense last offseason because of his resources, but here you are caping because they got a 5th round offensive lineman and spent less money on offense than any other team in the league.

I have no issue with poles and think he worked with what he had available to him and did what he thought was best for the future. But I'm not going to sit here and make up features of this offense that he built up. They have a bad OL and bad WRs.

You seem confused. I have no problem with the argument he didn't do enough. I have a problem with the exaggeration that he did nothing or no acknowledgment that he was limited in what he could do. I also have a problem with whining about the fact he didn't draft an OL earlier when Jones has graded out better than every OL.

The issue is there is no actual attempt to have a real discussion on what he did, what he could have done given the resources. It is just this vague whining. This is evident by the fact when people did call names of rookie OL and I proved that Jones has graded out better than them, the response was silence.

Yeah, that doesn't really affect my point. And also it is still questionable if Jones is a long term solution at LT. I think he can be a fixture on the OL but he needs to improve from this year to make that happen

Again but the thing not being acknowledged is the same is true of every OL taken ahead of him since he grades out better than all of them. So what are you saying. We should not have drafted an OL? You have dumb people (not you) saying why didn't we draft an OL early completely ignoring that Jones has graded out better than all of them. That is when it is just whining to whine.

What is not being said by you guys is that outside of Terron Armstead, I don't actually see anyone in the draft or FA that grades out higher than Jones right now. So who the hell did people want that actually grades out better?

 

[Discus fish salesman]

You seem confused. I have no problem with the argument he didn't do enough. I have a problem with the exaggeration that he did nothing or no acknowledgment that he was limited in what he could do. I also have a problem with whining about the fact he didn't draft an OL earlier when Jones has graded out better than every OL.

The issue is there is no actual attempt to have a real discussion on what he did, what he could have done given the resources. It is just this vague whining. This is evident by the fact when people did call names of rookie OL and I proved that Jones has graded out better than them, the response was silence.

Jones has graded out better, but you've also listed that Jones has given up more pressures and sacks than almost all the other rookies. His run blocking is what carries his total grade. I think it's sage to assume most are worried more about pass blocking

 

[Enasic]

That’s true.. but I didn’t need to wait until the sophomore year to know Metcalf was a monster. There are so many recent stud 2nd round WRs. Pickens seems to be in that same mold. Feels like now they think WR is less of an urgency and the draft will be defensive focused instead of offense. I just disagree with the approach if that’s what happens.

Meh I wouldn’t be so quick to crown Pickens yet. He has 1 100 yard game on the season and 2 TDs. Maybe he ends up great, but time will tell.

I think the “stud 2nd round WRs” will be less and less over the years because teams are prioritizing the position earlier in the draft. I think we’ll continue to see more WRs go in the 1st round because of the price of WRs in trade and/or $$$. The WR talent pool in the 2nd will continue to decline IMO

 

[remydat]

Jones has graded out better, but you've also listed that Jones has given up more pressures and sacks than almost all the other rookies. His run blocking is what carries his total grade. I think it's sage to assume most are worried more about pass blocking

Yes but some of those pressures are because Fields is holding the ball too long. Hence why Jones pass block grade is still higher than Neal and comparable to Cross and Ekwonu. Further there is no crystal ball that would have predicted who would be a better pass blocker vs run blocker. I mean if you want to name who you wanted, I can check what their pass block grade would have been because Neal, Cross, and Ekwonu were 1st rounders and we didn't have a first round pick. So who could we have drafted that you wanted in the 2nd or 3rd at OL?

Some examples. Nicolas Petit-Frere who some wanted has a 48.2 pass block grade. Raimann is 56.8. Lucas is the best at 74.9 and was taken after VJJ. So what are we saying? That Poles should have known that one and only one guy Lucas would have been a better pass blocker?

The big issue here is people are whining without having done any real research. It is all vague bullshit about how Poles didn't help Fields at all. In their fantasy world there were like 10 guys out there that were vastly superior to who the Bears got but the reality is that isn't actually true.

 

[Payton34Sayers40]

To me it looks like Field just flat out doesn't trust his receivers to be where they're supposed to be.

Those anticipation throws where you release the ball before the WR starts his break... man, these require so much trust in the WR

He almost never pulls the trigger on em and I wonder if there isn't a missing trust component, which imo would be totally understandable

It’s definitely on the WR’s. There is a reason half of these guys are castoffs. They are not very good at their craft — they are not disciplined route runners. Mooney has even admittedly run the wrong route on quite a few occasions this year.

They cut the routes short, they turn the wrong way, they keep running when they are supposed to stop, etc., etc. — after what I have seen, I would not trust these guys either.

 

[redgrange19]

Meh I wouldn’t be so quick to crown Pickens yet. He has 1 100 yard game on the season and 2 TDs. Maybe he ends up great, but time will tell.

I think the “stud 2nd round WRs” will be less and less over the years because teams are prioritizing the position earlier in the draft. I think we’ll continue to see more WRs go in the 1st round because of the price of WRs in trade and/or $$$. The WR talent pool in the 2nd will continue to decline IMO

^ This. Pickens could easily go the Anthony Miller route (very similar players, Miller had an awesome rookie year for us in 2018, even better than Pickens, but his shoulders are made out of paper mache).

 

[Enasic]

^ This. Pickens could easily go the Anthony Miller route (very similar players, Miller had an awesome rookie year for us in 2018, even better than Pickens, but his shoulders are made out of paper mache).

Miller is also a headcase and Pickens has the same concerns.

 

[remydat]

It’s definitely on the WR’s. There is a reason half of these guys are castoffs. They are not very good at their craft — they are not disciplined route runners. Mooney has even admittedly run the wrong route on quite a few occasions this year.

They cut the routes short, they turn the wrong way, they keep running when they are supposed to stop, etc., etc. — after what I have seen, I would not trust these guys either.

The simple reality is if Fields throws it to where the WR is supposed to be then the coaches will know that and they will blame the WR. Stupid ass fans may not know that and blame Fields but fans are not going to determine Fields future. Coaches will. So what you are suggesting is Fields not do the right thing for fear of fans blaming him instead of doing the right thing knowing coaches will know it was the right thing to do.

This is ultimately a quick way to end up out of the league as a QB as the coaches and GMs in the know will see he is not pulling the trigger when he should and downgrade him accordingly. I suppose he can take solace in the fact that dumb ass fans will say on message boards well I would not trust the WRs either but all that will get him is maybe a career as a broadcaster when his NFL career flames out because he worried more about fan opinion and coaches opinion. I guess there is some value in being a popular flamout. See RGIII.

In short, it doesn't fucking matter whether he trusts them or not. He needs to throw the ball if that is the correct read and decision period. Maybe he needs to recite the Serenity prayer before every pass.

 

[dabears70]

You seem confused. I have no problem with the argument he didn't do enough. I have a problem with the exaggeration that he did nothing or no acknowledgment that he was limited in what he could do. I also have a problem with whining about the fact he didn't draft an OL earlier when Jones has graded out better than every OL.

The issue is there is no actual attempt to have a real discussion on what he did, what he could have done given the resources. It is just this vague whining. This is evident by the fact when people did call names of rookie OL and I proved that Jones has graded out better than them, the response was silence.



Again but the thing not being acknowledged is the same is true of every OL taken ahead of him since he grades out better than all of them. So what are you saying. We should not have drafted an OL? You have dumb people (not you) saying why didn't we draft an OL early completely ignoring that Jones has graded out better than all of them. That is when it is just whining to whine.

What is not being said by you guys is that outside of Terron Armstead, I don't actually see anyone in the draft or FA that grades out higher than Jones right now. So who the hell did people want that actually grades out better?

When you say he graded out higher than all the other OL in that class you're talking about PFF right? Just asking because there's multiple OL that were drafted in that class that i and most, probably all, without a doubt would take over Jones right now.