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This is not how it works. You pick the WRs that have succeeded not the ones that have struggled to compare.
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This is not how it works. You pick the WRs that have succeeded not the ones that have struggled to compare.
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What? I picked the WRs that were drafted close to Velus
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A 3rd round pick on a very good kick returner is not bad. He is still contributing. Why he is so confused on the offensive side of the ball is anyone’s guess, but he is contributing a value.
VJJ may have to be relegated to a classic Wingback position, but, even then, it’d still be a good value for a 3rd round pick. Moore isn’t doing much; Robinson’s had some nice games but just keeps getting hurt. It’s like one good game followed by two or three injured. Tolbert showed some juice in the preseason, but, again, he is largely all about potential. He isn’t doing much in Dallas.
So, for a 3rd round pick, we are getting value on VJJ and can hope to tap the potential of him as a role player on O. I never saw him as more than a big joker who could get 5-7 touches a game, yet make an impact with those plays.
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This is actually a good point. Why does VJJ have to be a prototypical WR? What if the Bears didn't draft him to be that?
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If they didn't draft him to be that, then they probably wouldn't be playing him at wr weekly and have had him inactive for several weeks because he was so bad at wr.
Moving him to rb could definitely change his outcome though.
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I think he was being sarcastic, pointing out guys cherry pick to "prove" their point.
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Or you know, look at other players at other positions that were available . It does not mean to just only look at WR’s.
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Again, I don’t understand why you are just looking at WRs. You can make the case to select any player at any position and therefore you could have one less position to draft or sign in the upcoming season. Velus, unfortunately, has not filled any roster spot this season and may not be in the long term plans.
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Nothing signals that they're ready to move on from Velus this quickly. They will continue to use him in a Cordarelle Patterson type role imo
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He’s a 5th WR/4th RB and KR. That’s his future on the roster. Which is fine, it’s just not something typically drafted in the 3rd for a depleted roster. But if he can develop as a KR that has occasional big returns, it’ll be fine for the long run.
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Value is meeting or exceeding expectations based on where a player was taken. It's fair not to expect most 3rd round picks to start but it's also fair to expect a guy at a position where there is horrible depth to see the field more.
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Hopefully they eventually start to use him in that role..
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It’s safe to say that he hasn’t met his value. It’s also safe to say that it’s just too early. But I think hoping he becomes a regular contributor in the passing game might be too much. But he can be dangerous in the return game and on gadget plays.
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Why are we so obsessed with Velus?
For fucks sake GM’s whiff on 3rd round picks all time
Personally much more interested in Gordon and Claypool working out.
For fucks sake GM’s whiff on 3rd round picks all time
Personally much more interested in Gordon and Claypool working out.
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Idc about velus and think he can contribute as an rb/kr, my issue is people not acknowledging his obvious shortcomings (poor hands, route running, football IQ).
I actually still really like the future framework poles has laid to build out this roster and am positive about the team. I think velus as of now was a missed pick (which happens), but he can still be useful if they change how they use him. He's not a wr.
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Brax Jones and Brisker and plus starters
Gordon and Sanborn are average starters
Robinson is a rotation guy
Hicks is an ST guy
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That is a fantastic draft for not having a first or fourth rounder, even if Velus Jones is cut tomorrow. I see no reason why the above won't be accurate, with Sanborn maybe moving up and Gordon or Robinson possibly down. I think Brax's floor is a plus RT.
The problem is that WR was and remains a problematic aspect of the roster, and as such it's tough to imagine they didn't draft Jones to be a WR. But I also think if people looked at other teams' drafts, the vast majority appear pretty meh in retrospect. Maybe one out of three third rounders becomes a multiyear starter (varies a lot by position).
What remains is 1 being consistently above average and 2 hitting a homerun every few years and especially with a top 5 pick.
Brax Jones and Brisker and plus starters
Gordon and Sanborn are average starters
Robinson is a rotation guy
Hicks is an ST guy
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That is a fantastic draft for not having a first or fourth rounder, even if Velus Jones is cut tomorrow. I see no reason why the above won't be accurate, with Sanborn maybe moving up and Gordon or Robinson possibly down. I think Brax's floor is a plus RT.
The problem is that WR was and remains a problematic aspect of the roster, and as such it's tough to imagine they didn't draft Jones to be a WR. But I also think if people looked at other teams' drafts, the vast majority appear pretty meh in retrospect. Maybe one out of three third rounders becomes a multiyear starter (varies a lot by position).
What remains is 1 being consistently above average and 2 hitting a homerun every few years and especially with a top 5 pick.
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I said a few weeks ago to use him at RB and design screens for him then move out from there with his route concepts starting with traditional RB routes. Still think that’s what needs to be done.
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Thought he's always been a two level guy, screens and over the top. Doesn't have awareness or technique to threaten the second level.
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That was sarcasm.
I think his struggles are precisely because they haven't committed to him in a CP role just yet. I think they were hoping he could be a more well rounded WR. That does not appear to be in the cards so the question is how quickly do they pivot to him filling the Patterson role. Will we see him get 5-10 touches around the LoS as a runner or WR with the occasional deep ball after the bye or will they wait until the offseason to try and redefine his role.
If they had committed to him in the Patterson role from the get go then don't think Ebner would have gotten the opportunities he did nor would they be giving Evans the opportunities they are giving him. So think they had bigger hopes of him being a Deebo type ie a WR that moonlights as a RB but probably need to switch gears and make him a Patterson type ie a RB that moonlights as a WR.
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It was interesting to see him line up at HB/TB and get one sweep toss. It was the only time I noticed that he was lined up in the backfield from the start. Probably need to set that up better so the defense doesn't clue in to it right away.
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