**OFFICAIL** Regular Season News & Scheisse - FTO : THREAD DERAILING PROHIBITED***

[Adipost]

Interesting that they are trying to make him a regular WR based on the routes he mentions in these tweets.

What is it with coaching staffs and the Bears still not at least just playing to a players strengths from the get go and then develop the rest as they move forward.

The fumbles are killer though, if you can't secure the football in the NFL your future will be short lived.

They were all likely just dummy routes anyways. Unless the play is specifically designed for him as the primary read, I don’t see the coaching staff making Velus an actual viable target in a timing based progression. But once ESB went down, they had no choice but to put him on the field.

 

[Pretzel Logic]

They were all likely just dummy routes anyways. Unless the play is specifically designed for him as the primary read, I don’t see the coaching staff making Velus an actual viable target in a timing based progression. But once ESB went down, they had no choice but to put him on the field.

Yeah this could very well be the case.

He has a long way to go, not sure how much time he will be afforded though.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

He also had some good days in training camp punctuated by injury (preseason aswell) He has struggled, but as a third round rookie, that's not a surprise given that people were vocal about him seeming more of a gimmick receiver rather than a bona fide one.

So as far as I'm concerned you're more than welcome to have your opinion of him but for people to be this OTT about him when the consensus at the time was he'd more than likely struggle, seems hyperbolic ...

Think he could be just doing one or two things and continue to hammer on that until the end of the season, imo.

If they move on from him, cool, horses for courses as with all draft picks.

I guess I don't fully understand your point. Because people thought he'd be bad prior to him being really bad, it's not fair to say he's been bad and point out specific things he's been really poor at?

If he only does 2 things when he's on the field (screen and slant) then he's basically not a factor for the defense when he comes in. It's not really realistic to only do those. The go route with his speed is a necessity to threaten defenses and force them to respect his presence although it doesn't matter because he can't do it.

 

[Bearly]

Anyone that thought this dummy was just going to come in and light it up outside of returns was fooling themselves. He's always been a slow learner with great physical gifts. Cutting him this year at a position of no depth that usually takes time to learn in the NFL anyway would be a premature ejection.

You can viably keep him just for KO returns this year. That said, brane-iac needs to learn how to field a punt in the off season. If he succeeds, he's a 4th WR, gadget, ST player and that's more than fine for where he was drafted. If he fails, he'll be like 3/4 of 3rd round WRs.

 

[Pretzel Logic]

I guess I don't fully understand your point. Because people thought he'd be bad prior to him being really bad, it's not fair to say he's been bad and point out specific things he's been really poor at?

If he only does 2 things when he's on the field (screen and slant) then he's basically not a factor for the defense when he comes in. It's not really realistic to only do those. The go route with his speed is a necessity to threaten defenses and force them to respect his presence although it doesn't matter because he can't do it.

I offered up a screen as something that would put him in space (obviously not ignoring his massive fumble issues) Or you have drag routes which can create space and put him on the move to turn it up field.

Quick in's and the like don't seem to suit the player he is, in his college film.

I never realised the expectations people had of him, I misjudged what people thought he could be obviously ...

 

[dentfan]

Interesting that they are trying to make him a regular WR based on the routes he mentions in these tweets.

I think they are.

What is it with coaching staffs and the Bears still not at least just playing to a players strengths from the get go and then develop the rest as they move forward.

This is actually good coaching. You have to see what you’ve got. If he is anything other than a returner and part time wingback, they need to find out. Let him **** up. Who cares? The season’s a wash. If he improves. Yay. If not, then he’s just a KR, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

The fumbles are killer though, if you can't secure the football in the NFL your future will be short lived.

I had a discussion on this board somewhere with another poster who basically saw what I did. VJJ needs more time with the running backs. There are drills and techniques that get taught to backs that, many times, get overlooked with receivers. Gauntlet and tire drills are one. At practice, while receivers run their routes, backs hit the tires, gauntlets, and do ball security drills.

So, receivers try to just run. A back knows to change hands per side, get behind their pads, and to seek and initiate contact. If I were the coaches, I’d leave him with the backs this week, put him back in and see if he fails again. If he improves, yay. If not, again, who the **** cares? A 3rd round pick for a starting returner is good value, even if that and a glorified Wingback is all he ever is.

 

[Pretzel Logic]

I think they are.

This is actually good coaching. You have to see what you’ve got. If he is anything other than a returner and part time wingback, they need to find out. Let him **** up. Who cares? The season’s a wash. If he improves. Yay. If not, then he’s just a KR, and there’s nothing wrong with that.

I had a discussion on this board somewhere with another poster who basically saw what I did. VJJ needs more time with the running backs. There are drills and techniques that get taught to backs that, many times, get overlooked with receivers. Gauntlet and tire drills are one. At practice, while receivers run their routes, backs hit the tires, gauntlets, and do ball security drills.

So, receivers try to just run. A back knows to change hands per side, get behind their pads, and to seek and initiate contact. If I were the coaches, I’d leave him with the backs this week, put him back in and see if he fails again. If he improves, yay. If not, again, who the **** cares? A 3rd round pick for a starting returner is good value, even if that and a glorified Wingback is all he ever is.

Cool.

Hopefully the next receiver they draft isn't a gimmick.

 

[dentfan]

Cool.

Hopefully the next receiver they draft isn't a gimmick.

I’m thinking they draft a few slots. Poles seems to go with a shotgun volume approach, so maybe he drafts 3 -4 DL and 3 WR this year. I can see him picking a big safety like JL skinner to put at WLB, but I really think he is going to go bonkers on where the strength of the draft is: DL & slot WR.

 

[Penny Traitor]

@Penny Traitor

For a thread in which a user got banned 3 days for Lions talk, sure seems to be a lot of it in this thread.........

not exactly even handed moderation, not even by a stretch.......

Well, first, it was not even a real ban. It was a reply ban, which is the weakest ban in the history of bans.

Next, I did not ban you from this thread for talking about the Lions because in a general NFL news thread...that never made sense to me.

I banned you from this thread for....

So, now go **** yourself with a big stick.

....because the constant personal attacks kept derailing this thread from it's main purpose as a general NFL news thread and birthed the FTO movement.

To avoid such confusion, I will re-edit the thread title to better fit the views of the staff.

Just between you & me, I have been enjoying the Lions clawing their way back to respectability. Even that defense is coming around.

I would very much enjoy a NFC North that has Green Bay stuck in the cellar for at least a half decade or so.

 

[HeHateMe]

Well, first, it was not even a real ban. It was a reply ban, which is the weakest ban in the history of bans.

Next, I did not ban you from this thread for talking about the Lions because in a general NFL news thread...that never made sense to me.

I banned you from this thread for....


....because the constant personal attacks kept derailing this thread from it's main purpose as a general NFL news thread and birthed the FTO movement.

To avoid such confusion, I will re-edit the thread title to better fit the views of the staff.

Just between you & me, I have been enjoying the Lions clawing their way back to respectability. Even that defense is coming around.

I would very much enjoy a NFC North that has Green Bay stuck in the cellar for at least a half decade or so.

Can't wait to see the LIONS in the PLAYOFF!!!!

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1605931523189772299

 

[bamainatlanta]

Can't wait to see the LIONS in the PLAYOFF!!!!

Lions really should go 3-0 to end the year. Packers won’t have anything to play for other than to show off Jordan Love for a possible trade or to evaluate for a possible AR12 trade. @nc0gnet0

 

[Dejo]

Is theorycrafting one word? Rhetorical….. it is not.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1605971949967904776

 

[bamainatlanta]

Is theorycrafting one word? Rhetorical….. it is not.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1605971949967904776

I was told that Gordon sucks and will need to be replaced next year

 

[HeHateMe]

I was told that Gordon sucks and will need to be replaced next year

He's going to be a PBer next season if Bears get a pass rush together. #calledit

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Well, first, it was not even a real ban. It was a reply ban, which is the weakest ban in the history of bans.

Next, I did not ban you from this thread for talking about the Lions because in a general NFL news thread...that never made sense to me.

I banned you from this thread for....


....because the constant personal attacks kept derailing this thread from it's main purpose as a general NFL news thread and birthed the FTO movement.

To avoid such confusion, I will re-edit the thread title to better fit the views of the staff.

Just between you & me, I have been enjoying the Lions clawing their way back to respectability. Even that defense is coming around.

I would very much enjoy a NFC North that has Green Bay stuck in the cellar for at least a half decade or so.

We started a movement!

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1605953654426591232

 

[Dejo]

From this point forward, I would prefer to hereafter be known primarily as the godfather of FTO, inquires can be sent to @Penny Traitor

 

[gallagher]

I was told that Gordon sucks and will need to be replaced next year

I am dreading the day fans start offseason threads of moving him to safety like they did with Tillman

 

[Hawkeye OG]

Don't understand the Gordon hate tbh. He looks like a rookie CB. Has made some plays and has also been torched. Big learning curve at that position. We'll see how he develops over the next few years.