Official Epstein Thread (Epstein baseball side prez/Hoyer is GM)

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It does take some good scouting by TBR to do what they doing but it helped having top 5 picks for long time. Last 4 years have been impressive cause they have been bottom of halve picks

Maybe we will take Michael Bowden and Jose Iglesias's salaries off their hands as compensation :troll:

I know Bowden's uncle, so...
 

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It does take some good scouting by TBR to do what they doing but it helped having top 5 picks for long time. Last 4 years have been impressive cause they have been bottom of halve picks

There's a bit of luck involved in getting so many good prospects as well. It's maybe 2/3 scouting + development and 1/3 pure blind luck.
 

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It does take some good scouting by TBR to do what they doing but it helped having top 5 picks for long time. Last 4 years have been impressive cause they have been bottom of halve picks

Yeah I know, just being a smart ass as the Pirates have sucked for years and years. They should hird Wilken and it may have been different. Pirates have been willing to to spend for draft.

Now TBR=Astros.

But again Theo is good at drafting players and I can almost guarentee Wilken will get an extension if he's name GM.
 

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You're the same person who said Friedman who built a $42M team was better than Epstein at $160M.

The Cubs have about $140M and will until Soriano, Byrd, and Dempster's contracts run out.

They won't run out for awhile yet, and I don't see Ricketts spending anymore money for another offseason or 2.

Dempster done next year. Byrd can be and SHOULD BE traded this offseason. Soriano only bad contract they really have left. you can sign FA to backloaded deals while Z and Demp deals are coming off books this year
 

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Maybe we will take Michael Bowden and Jose Iglesias's salaries off their hands as compensation :troll:

I know Bowden's uncle, so...

I don't know about Bowden, but I know their getting less thrilled with Iglesia and how he can't hit right now.
 

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Theo and Wilken running drafts is a very great thing to look forward to.
 

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Difference between Tampa and Pittsburgh? Scouting.

You can have the #1 pick 10 years in a row, but if you don't have an eye for talent, it won't equate to a hill of beans. You may get lucky once or twice like RiceCube said, but it won't be enough to build a winner. Scouting talent in baseball is far harder than any other sport IMO.
 

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Dempster done next year. Byrd can be and SHOULD BE traded this offseason. Soriano only bad contract they really have left. you can sign FA to backloaded deals while Z and Demp deals are coming off books this year

...and who knows they moght eventually release Fonzie and maybe not pay whole contract. Demp leaves, Cain comes!
 

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Difference between Tampa and Pittsburgh? Scouting.

You can have the #1 pick 10 years in a row, but if you don't have an eye for talent, it won't equate to a hill of beans. You may get lucky once or twice like RiceCube said, but it won't be enough to build a winner. Scouting talent in baseball is far harder than any other sport IMO.

Scouting...oh yeah for sure! But yeah a lot of it is luck, in college or HS they could have been studs. But when signed, they could change their work habits and change for the worse. While others may work harder, try to improve on an everyday basis and become the real deal. Look at some pitchers who we didn't hear of and make strides in the minors this year.
 

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...and who knows they moght eventually release Fonzie and maybe not pay whole contract. Demp leaves, Cain comes!

Fonzie is still productive. Not worth 19 mil but still not worth just releasing for another team to pick him up for nothing. Best hope for Cubs is that some team sees Fonzie as good DH
 

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I agree MLB Draft is a crap shoot. I do think teams are getting better at scouting though cause of how many scouts per team there is now
 

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I agree MLB Draft is a crap shoot. I do think teams are getting better at scouting though cause of how many scouts per team there is now

That's true. Decreasing their odds of failure by having more scouts. It's not foolproof, but it's a good gameplan.
 

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I don't know about Bowden, but I know their getting less thrilled with Iglesia and how he can't hit right now.

are you sure? reading that article some of the Boston fans wouldnt trade Theo for Starlin LOL cause they think Iglesia is better LOL
 

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How about we give Boston our first round draft pic(#6 overall)

That'd be all rainbows and butterflies, if we could trade draft picks. But we can't.

I think the Cubs can get better GM candidates than Epstein without having to give up anything at all....

No, they can't get a better GM candidate because Epstein is about as good as it gets. You can get quality for less, but if you have to give something up for a GM, he's gonna be a damn good one.
No, I wouldn't.

Friedman is supposedly only willing to go to Houston or stay in Tampa Bay, since his dad is in a potential new ownership group there and he is from there, but I'll take Hahn or Cherington for free before I give up an MLB player for an admittedly overrated GM.

admittedly overrated? What?!
He had a team that choked, tho. But I want the Cubs to get Theo and think they will.

How is that the GM's fault? He isn't the one playing, he put the team together. He put together a team that had more than the ability to succeed. Not his fault that they didn't show up in September.

Or the $$$ did.

And all of his recent FA signings have been busts, like Hendry.

Little early to proclaim them busts, but as I recall, Theo was anti-Crawford, but the owner made it happen, which caused some of the friction that is making Theo not want to stay.

But there's rumors that he'll require Ricketts to raise payroll to Boston level if he is to come here.

Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
No one is telling Ricketts what to do with his money...said it before and I'll gladly say it again that Ricketts doesn't have the resources to field a competitive MLB team.

Bullshit. If he doesn't have the resources, how were we able to spend so much on the draft? Seriously, what is the logic behind your thought process? That we're in debt? Most teams are. The actions of the Cubs show that the debt isn't a problem.

You're the same person who said Friedman who built a $42M team was better than Epstein at $160M.

The Cubs have about $140M and will until Soriano, Byrd, and Dempster's contracts run out.

They won't run out for awhile yet, and I don't see Ricketts spending anymore money for another offseason or 2.

Oh, so if you don't see it happening, it won't happen. Makes sense.

...and who knows they moght eventually release Fonzie and maybe not pay whole contract. Demp leaves, Cain comes!

Yeah, how is releasing Soriano and not paying him going to work?
 

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Breaking News: Theo Epstein hired as Cubs GM then brings in Rodrigo Lopez in to replace Mike Quade.
 

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That'd be all rainbows and butterflies, if we could trade draft picks. But we can't.



No, they can't get a better GM candidate because Epstein is about as good as it gets. You can get quality for less, but if you have to give something up for a GM, he's gonna be a damn good one.


admittedly overrated? What?!


How is that the GM's fault? He isn't the one playing, he put the team together. He put together a team that had more than the ability to succeed. Not his fault that they didn't show up in September.



Little early to proclaim them busts, but as I recall, Theo was anti-Crawford, but the owner made it happen, which caused some of the friction that is making Theo not want to stay.



Is that supposed to be a bad thing?


Bullshit. If he doesn't have the resources, how were we able to spend so much on the draft? Seriously, what is the logic behind your thought process? That we're in debt? Most teams are. The actions of the Cubs show that the debt isn't a problem.



Oh, so if you don't see it happening, it won't happen. Makes sense.



Yeah, how is releasing Soriano and not paying him going to work?
Do you have a link or source for any of this.

It's one thing to be a dick to me, I deserve it, other members don't.
I've seen this forum lose too many quality posters.
 

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The fact that people actually think that we would trade a player (actual player not some nobody that won't make it out of A ball is hilarious. I would love to have Epstein. But I would also like what's best for the team. How about we bring in Friedman and Epstein! lol then we have the best of both worlds. Hire Epstein for Prez and Friedman for GM
 

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no CO. What makes him this amazing GM? He wont have the money to toss around like he did in boston........We will see how great he is with a limited payroll.
 

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no CO. What makes him this amazing GM? He wont have the money to toss around like he did in boston........We will see how great he is with a limited payroll.

I'll ask you the question that has been asked on here a couple times tonight... Why would he come here if he is going to be severely handcuffed financially?

Money aside, he drafted Papelbon, Murton, David Murphy, Pedroia, Cla Meredith, Ellsbury, Buchholz, Lowrie, Josh Bard, and Justin Masterson. These are just players that have had success at the MLB level. That's a nice crop of players.

Plus when he has been in control, he has made smart contract decisions. It's not about the total number of dollars, it's about how far you can make what you have go. If he goes from 160 to 120, I don't think he'll have a big problem, considering he'll be in the NL Central.
 
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