Official Epstein Thread (Epstein baseball side prez/Hoyer is GM)

[Jntg4]

I'll ask you the question that has been asked on here a couple times tonight... Why would he come here if he is going to be severely handcuffed financially?

Money aside, he drafted Papelbon, Murton, David Murphy, Pedroia, Cla Meredith, Ellsbury, Buchholz, Lowrie, Josh Bard, and Justin Masterson. These are just players that have had success at the MLB level. That's a nice crop of players.

Plus when he has been in control, he has made smart contract decisions. It's not about the total number of dollars, it's about how far you can make what you have go. If he goes from 160 to 120, I don't think he'll have a big problem, considering he'll be in the NL Central.

Can we really call the Central bad with both Milwaukee and St. Louis in it?

 

[waldo7239117]

are you sure? reading that article some of the Boston fans wouldnt trade Theo for Starlin LOL cause they think Iglesia is better LOL

I that in the Boston article. The one that says would you do Starlin for Theo.

 

[waldo7239117]

That'd be all rainbows and butterflies, if we could trade draft picks. But we can't.



No, they can't get a better GM candidate because Epstein is about as good as it gets. You can get quality for less, but if you have to give something up for a GM, he's gonna be a damn good one.


admittedly overrated? What?!


How is that the GM's fault? He isn't the one playing, he put the team together. He put together a team that had more than the ability to succeed. Not his fault that they didn't show up in September.



Little early to proclaim them busts, but as I recall, Theo was anti-Crawford, but the owner made it happen, which caused some of the friction that is making Theo not want to stay.



Is that supposed to be a bad thing?


Bullshit. If he doesn't have the resources, how were we able to spend so much on the draft? Seriously, what is the logic behind your thought process? That we're in debt? Most teams are. The actions of the Cubs show that the debt isn't a problem.



Oh, so if you don't see it happening, it won't happen. Makes sense.



Yeah, how is releasing Soriano and not paying him going to work?

The choking part was more sarcasm to a post than anything. And releasing Soriano could happen, you never know. He's not a starter anymore and I never want him to come up with people on base, he K's too much. But getting anything in return will be an award.

 

[waldo7239117]

I just saw something that made sense, if the RS didn't want Theo to leave wouldn't they have said no right away when the Cubs ask to interview him? If Theo was offered the job, he would accept it according to numerous reports. The Boston media interview a few people today who are under these discussions and they all didn't deny or shoot down Theo to the Cubs. If you want to see what they said. Here are their twitter accounts: (From Boston media)

Gordon Edes

Michael Silverman

 

[Rice Cube]

no CO. What makes him this amazing GM? He wont have the money to toss around like he did in boston........We will see how great he is with a limited payroll.

The bottom line is that nobody knows what he will do or how he will do if he becomes Cubs GM. My guess is that he's competent enough to adopt the Tampa model where more money is allocated to scouting and the amateur/international drafts, but he'll have more money to also go after free agents because this is Chicago, after all. He may also realize that just because Ricketts has deep pockets (though they're still finite) he doesn't have to spend everything right away like some fans want. There's something to be said for prudence going forward.

 

[waldo7239117]

Bruce Levine: There may be a deal in place for Theo to become new Cubs GM, but will have to avoid making an announcement this weekend because of the Jewish holliday.

Levine is not the only to mention this, I have seen this in a few other places too.

 

[Uman85]

Bruce Levine: There may be a deal in place for Theo to become new Cubs GM, but will have to avoid making an announcement because of the Jewish holliday.

Levine is not the only to mention this, I have seen this in a few other places too.

LOL

So when would they announce it?

 

[waldo7239117]

LOL

So when would they announce it?

If not today, next week sometime. Prolly early week.

 

[waldo7239117]

LOL

So when would they announce it?

Re-read my post, I missed a key word lol and it may make more sense now.

 

[Uman85]

I'd love to see an announcement today. The anticipation is a killer. Haha

 

[Capt. Serious]

I'll ask you the question that has been asked on here a couple times tonight... Why would he come here if he is going to be severely handcuffed financially?

Money aside, he drafted Papelbon, Murton, David Murphy, Pedroia, Cla Meredith, Ellsbury, Buchholz, Lowrie, Josh Bard, and Justin Masterson. These are just players that have had success at the MLB level. That's a nice crop of players.

Plus when he has been in control, he has made smart contract decisions. It's not about the total number of dollars, it's about how far you can make what you have go. If he goes from 160 to 120, I don't think he'll have a big problem, considering he'll be in the NL Central.

Daniel Bard brah.

 

[bleacherbum54]

no CO. What makes him this amazing GM? He wont have the money to toss around like he did in boston........We will see how great he is with a limited payroll.

He won a World Series with a low pay roll he was great with a smaller pay roll. I actually thought with the bigger pay roll he would be better but he got worse and gave out a lot of bad contracts. He needs to go back to kid Theo the formula that gave Boston his first world series t\not the one of just throwing money around like the Yanks.

 

[Rice Cube]

He won a World Series with a low pay roll he was great with a smaller pay roll. I actually thought with the bigger pay roll he would be better but he got worse and gave out a lot of bad contracts. He needs to go back to kid Theo the formula that gave Boston his first world series t\not the one of just throwing money around like the Yanks.

The bad contracts are only bad in retrospect. At the time of signings they looked reasonable (although Crawford was way overpaid...but whatcha gonna do).

Like Billy Beane said, the GM can only build a team that can get to the playoffs (and sometimes not even that considering how tough the AL East is, which is why they have to get into an arms race with the Yankees). After they get there, it's up to the players to hopefully not suck at the wrong times. That's why we talk about luck and variation in baseball. You simply don't know what's going to happen.

 

[nwfisch]

That's the thing, I'd rather the Cubs build the best roster (Boston) Than depend on luck (Rays moreorless)

 

[Capt. Serious]

Rays lost Crawford, Pena, Garza & their entire bullpen & still made the playoffs.

Yeah, they had to suck to land some guys but they have one of the best systems in MLB.

 

[FirstTimer]

He won a World Series with a low pay roll he was great with a smaller pay roll. .

LOL at this.

2004: 2nd in the MLB and $25 million clear of the 3rd place team.
2004 MLB Payrolls - MLB - ESPN


2007: 2nd in baseball and $30 million clear of 3rd place team
By the Numbers: 2007 Player Payroll for the 30 MLB Clubs

If you want to see opening day: 2007 Baseball Payrolls, List - MLB - ESPN)

Here' another nice link
Major League Baseball Team Payrolls 1998-2011

I find it hilarious that you say he was great with a smaller pay roll yet the two years you see the biggest jump in Red Sox spending they won the WS.

 

[Rice Cube]

It also took a massive collapse by the Red Sox due to injury (Youk, Buchholz etc) and Carl Crawford and John Lackey inexplicably sucking to get into the playoffs. But it's all relative.

Baseball is fundamentally a numbers game, and you need to put up the numbers to get to the playoffs in order to get more lottery balls in play to win the pennant and then win the World Series.

World Series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Derkach77]

Wheres the facts saying it is pretty much done?

 

[Rice Cube]

Wheres the facts saying it is pretty much done?

Deal only in rumors around here. Facts are for pussies.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Theo likely to stay with BoSox