msadows
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Except the boy can play ball, and you clearly have not watched anything on him besides the random highlight.
Except the boy can play ball, and you clearly have not watched anything on him besides the random highlight.
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RAS can affect where you are drafted, and that is a fact, but there are some damn good exceptions here.
Deandre Hopkins.....3
Chad Johnson...........1.49
Antonio Brown.........1.49
Wes Welker................0.56
Anquan Bolden.........0.52
Jarvis Landry..............0.06
Even Cooper Kupp tested at below average 4.69. Outstanding football players who simply did not test well at the combine. Bell may be the next one and would be great value in the third round.
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If the Bears have gone something like OT, CB with 39 and 48, then I wouldn't have a problem with Bell at 71. Depends who is there ofcourse. Would rather have Watson from ND State.
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You literally never mentioned his 3 cone or short shuttle. And you literally never said that receivers have to have something that stands out.
Also his RAS is a measure of his overall athleticism, and that score is below average.
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What was Kevin White's RAS score?
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I have watched taped on all the WRs that could be had in the 2nd and 3rd round. Now I have an agenda against a WR who is slow, not explosive, not quick, and doesn't have great change of direction.
And no you are drunk. Kmet's RAS was 8.92 so the debate was never about whether he was athletic enough for the NFL. The debate was I wanted guys like Claypool and Mims over him. Of course you conveniently left out Claypool. In fact, I believe my statement was that I don't know how you go to Notre and come away thinking Kmet was a better prospect than Claypool. However, I never doubted that Kmet could play in the NFL. I just didn't like using a high pick on a TE when I felt there were better prospects.
My issue with Bell is that I don't know that he actually is good enough for the NFL period despite the numbers. I think he may in fact just be a really good college WR that isn't built for the NFL.
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Being a career ender does't mean it's one of the worst. Being one of the worst means close to the worst.
You can opine based on whatever you want. I think in this instance you overstated because it made your argument look better, not because of your profession.
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Dude I posted his RAS score so I was suggested he sucked overall not just speed.
There is no point in saying fast and athletic if I meant just speed as speed is covered in the term fast. Athletic covers the other traits so in the English language I don't need to reference each specific athletic trait when I already mentioned use a term that can encompass them all. And again I already had this debate with @msadows on Ridley and I reminded him of what my issue is.
I flat out explain to him that that Athletic and fast are two different things and remind him of our convo on Ridley. So yes this has always been my point as this debate has been going on for years between myself and Ms. At no point did I claim it was just about speed. I posted his RAS score precisely because I was questioning not only his speed but his overall athleticism.
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He is probably saying one of the worst for a player being drafted in possibly the 2nd round. Not like literally one of the worst. You could easily find UDFA projected players with scores near zero.
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Maybe not to you but it does to me and others in my profession. You can believe about me what you want but just like with the short shuttle thing, your opinion here about me is simply wrong. I have literally been talking about his lack of speed and athleticism the whole time but somehow you did not notice it.
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Lol, david bell is literally the most productive WR in the first few rounds in college.
But remy says he is undraftable because he's not fast. Got it.
Remy is the type of dude who would have traded away kyle hendricks because he doesn't throw fast enough.
But remy says he is undraftable because he's not fast. Got it.
Remy is the type of dude who would have traded away kyle hendricks because he doesn't throw fast enough.
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Well yes if we want to pick Bell up as an UDFA, I can get behind that.
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A guy who has nearly 3k yards in 3 years of college ball is now going to be a UDFA because Remy saw him run a 4.65.
Damn.
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This is where you start to get emo on me because of previous beefs. I never claimed he was undraftable.
I straight up said I would take him if he were the last top WR prospect left. Not sure how you transformed that into undraftable. The point was I had him at the bottom of my list of top WR prospects.
Holy shit, David is that you. I did not say he would be UDFA. I was making a joke to illustrate what Didshe is saying is correct. As I said above I would take him if he were the last on my list of top WR prospects. I was agreeing with Didshe that given where he is projected his lack of athleticism and speed is fucking terrible.
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NFL Draft: Player Comparisons for the 2022 Wide Receiver Class
www.numberfire.com
This is kind of an interesting read, not that I’m necessarily endorsing the methodology or the results.
“…That's why I built out player similarity scores to add to my draft model.
Now that we have 40-yard dash times for (most of) the 2022 NFL receiver class that was invited to the NFL Combine, we can get a good feel for how each prospect comps to past prospects.
To clarify, these are based 0% on playstyle or how much a player reminds me of NFL players and 100% on measurable variables such as height, weight, draft equity (or expected draft equity for the incoming rookie class), breakout ages, height-adjusted speed, and various production metrics from their collegiate careers.”
David Bell, Purdue
Big Board Rank: 47| Rank | David Bell Profile Comparisons | Similarity |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Davante Adams | 95.9% |
| 2 | DeAndre Hopkins | 92.4% |
| 3 | Sammy Watkins | 91.5% |
| 4 | Chris Godwin | 91.5% |
| 5 | Anquan Boldin | 90.5% |
| 6 | Michael Crabtree | 90.4% |
| 7 | JuJu Smith-Schuster | 89.9% |
| 8 | Torrey Smith | 89.4% |
| 9 | Robert Woods | 88.7% |
| 10 | DeVier Posey | 88.1% |
There are some huge hits at the top of the list for David Bell. He's honestly like a carbon copy of Davante Adams in terms of profile but broke out earlier and rated out as a little less athletic. Bell's adjusted speed score puts him in the 21st percentile; Adams' was 44th-percentile.
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Oh, I get the concept. I just thought it was odd that I couldn't find an explanation of it in relation to the draft value chart anywhere.
When I correct a misperception on my part, I like to gather more information to solidify my knowledge. That's why I responded with an explanation of my thoughts when people were questioning value, but was obviously getting frustrated with the curt responses. I appreciate you taking the time to actually discuss the reasoning.
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Not following the David Bell love fest. He’s a relatively low ceiling WR. The NFL is shifting towards explosive playmakers.
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Just a reminder.
Is 2 years enough time to gloat about this? Because you're doing the same shit again. BTW guys, those WR's he liked were Reagor, Mims, and Shenault(In that order).
This is the guy that was happy the bengals took higgins in the early 2nd so we wouldn't have a shot at him.
Simply put, there are things that make players good at sports that don't involve athleticism. This is true in football as much as any sport.
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No one is saying he's going to be great. Thats why he's likely a late day 2/early day 3 pick.
He can still be a very solid nfl starter, even while being slow as fuck. Can't have game breakers at every position. This ain't madden.
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Think your RAS scores are off. Those scores were still poor but not as bad as what you are posting. And this goes back to my point about having at least something you are good at.
DeAndre Hopkins RAS
DeAndre Hopkins was drafted by Texans with pick 27 in round 1 in the 2013 NFL Draft out of Clemson. This player was selected to at least one pro bowl in his career. This player put up 1,250 receivi…
ras.football
Again some yellows but given he was a 1st rounder then yeah I would say he is an exception. Still better RAS than Bell. Couldn't find Johnson's
Antonio Brown RAS
Antonio Brown was drafted by Steelers with pick 195 in round 6 in the 2010 NFL Draft out of Central Michigan. This player was selected to at least one pro bowl in his career. This player put up 1,2…
ras.football
Agreed Brown was not great but he had some yellows. But this is likely why he dropped in the draft and still better than Bell.
Wes Welker RAS
Wes Welker went undrafted for the NFL out of Texas Tech in 2004. This player was selected to at least one pro bowl in his career. This player put up 1,250 receiving yards or more in a single season…
ras.football
Welker's short shuttle was elite and it showed up in the NFL. Still better than Bell's
Anquan Boldin RAS
Anquan Boldin was drafted by Cardinals with pick 54 in round 2 in the 2003 NFL Draft out of Florida State. This player was selected to at least one pro bowl in his career. This player put up 1,250 …
ras.football
Yes another legit exception but still better than Bell.
Yeah and this dude is a unicorn. There was no way I would have touched Landry but good on him for beating the odds.
