**Official** Training Camp News & Scheisse [Football Talk Only]

[Montucky]

So... You know why players hate being tagged right? Long term security is valuable, and his bargaining power with the team that drafted him will never be higher unless he hits the open market, where he is likely to make more through a bidding process

Would you rather play on a one year contract for $10M and try to negotiate better after, or play on five year contract worth at least $10M a year? If you were worth at least $10M, does it not benefit your employee to get a contract for you now instead of when it comes time to negotiate next year? Like the process or not, it is good for both the team and the player to get this deal taken finalized now unless they plan to let him walk next year.

He's not tagged. Its a fifth-year option.

And its not about what Roquan Smith would rather do, he made the decision to take the money when he signed the contract. Now I have a little more sympathy for him since rookie contracts aren't really negotiable (he still held out his rookie year), but he's also playing one of the least valued positions in football and getting a very fat guaranteed stack this year despite it. If were a top five ish quarterback or edge rusher it'd be one thing, ten million would be a dramatic underpay for his services this year, but for his position as an off-ball LB? Ten million fully guaranteed is actually more than he should be getting for one year.

 

[gallagher]

Can’t wait to see this offense this year.

I honestly want to see our running game take off. bears have a chance to be a real bully in that category, and I think we will be closer to competitive by the end of the season than a lot of us imagine right now.

As far as the long term contract that is being discussed in other comments, I appreciate your point of view, but we are going to have to disagree on that one. Being undervalued by millions per year on the only job he is qualified to succeed at will affect his entire life. It just so happens to be a figure that almost everyone on here will never earn, so it is hard to empathize with.

As it stands, the money he can possibly make on this team isnt a bank breaker, and he is a genuine stud on a team that is bereft of star power. The Bears should negotiate to get the best price, but they would be absolute fools to lowball him and stay put unless the goal is to trade him.

 

[Montucky]

You are complaining about players wanting to guard against injury but then ignoring the fact NFL teams do so as well by not having contracts fully guaranteed. A bit of a double standard.

Fifth year options are fully guaranteed. When the Bears picked up Roquan Smith's up a year ago they locked it in, so even if this is sometimes a double standard around the league in this case it definitely isn't.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Probably more like Cliff fucking Stein. No idea why Pace took him off of cap management.

@dabears70 can you answer this? Or are you not able to hear what he says over the sound of his balls slapping your face?

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1552346929278877696

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[Brownie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1552349429100908544

 

[dentfan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1552338422139854852

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Yup. That’s what I envisioned them doing with Gordon. I think they bring him inside on 3rd and put another CB on the boundary.

 

[gallagher]

He's not tagged. Its a fifth-year option.

And its not about what Roquan Smith would rather do, he made the decision to take the money when he signed the contract. Now I have a little more sympathy for him since rookie contracts aren't really negotiable (he still held out his rookie year), but he's also playing one of the least valued positions in football and getting a very fat guaranteed stack this year despite it. If were a top five ish quarterback or edge rusher it'd be one thing, ten million would be a dramatic underpay for his services this year, but for his position as an off-ball LB? Ten million fully guaranteed is actually more than he should be getting for one year.

The bit about being tagged was not about Roquon's current status, but as an example why a young and valuable player would not like to be kept on a one year deal when they could make a lot more on a long term contract, even in a circumstance where he gets less guaranteed money this year.

 

[dabears70]

@dabears70 can you answer this? Or are you not able to hear what he says over the sound of his balls slapping your face?

This is odd coming from someone that has @Anytime23's balls permanently resting on his chin.

Carry on now.

 

[Brownie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1552351296178765825

 

[Brownie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1552350573168660483

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

You are complaining about players wanting to guard against injury but then ignoring the fact NFL teams do so as well by not having contracts fully guaranteed. A bit of a double standard.

Did they agree to CBA or not?

(Yes they did)

 

[Brownie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1552351479574532097

 

[Montucky]

The bit about being tagged was not about Roquon's current status, but as an example why a young and valuable player would not like to be kept on a one year deal when they could make a lot more on a long term contract, even in a circumstance where he gets less guaranteed money this year.

The thing is the Bears assumed a lot of risk when they put him on that fifth year option. They can't undo it once its done and for an eighth overall pick it was a lot of money for a position that doesn't really command a lot of money otherwise. Roquan Smith was probably just fine with it when the Bears assumed all the risk, now he's holding out when the shoe is on the other foot?

If he wants the long-term contract he can go out there and earn it by acting playing like All-Pro for once. And if he gets hurt oh well, he managed to squeeze every cent possible out of a top ten draft contract. That's not small potatoes. There is some cause for him to be disgruntled but a hold out, especially for a team in the first year of a new coaching regime, is too far IMO.

 

[remydat]

He's not tagged. Its a fifth-year option.

And its not about what Roquan Smith would rather do, he made the decision to take the money when he signed the contract. Now I have a little more sympathy for him since rookie contracts aren't really negotiable (he still held out his rookie year), but he's also playing one of the least valued positions in football and getting a very fat guaranteed stack this year despite it. If were a top five ish quarterback or edge rusher it'd be one thing, ten million would be a dramatic underpay for his services this year, but for his position as an off-ball LB? Ten million fully guaranteed is actually more than he should be getting for one year.

Nah bullshit. He is underpaid relative to the contracts signed by recent off ball LBs. 15-20m is the going rate for a LB of his caliber.

Fifth year options are fully guaranteed. When the Bears picked up Roquan Smith's up a year ago they locked it in, so even if this is sometimes a double standard around the league in this case it definitely isn't.

Was not talking about his contract but contracts across NFL as whole. They are obviously not all fully guaranteed.

 

[remydat]

Did they agree to CBA or not?

(Yes they did)

The CBA allows him to complain about his contract, report to camp and not practice if he is injured which Bears put him in the PUP list. So he has done nothing that violates the CBA if you want to play that game.

 

[Montucky]

Nah bullshit. He is underpaid relative to the contracts signed by recent off ball LBs. 15-20m is the going rate for a LB of his caliber.

Shaquille Leonard is the gold standard at the position and he's averaging significantly less than a fifteen million a year over the four years of his contract that he'll actually play. Roquan Smith is no Shaquille Leonard, or at least hasn't been thus far in his career.

 

[Montucky]

The CBA allows him to complain about his contract, report to camp and not practice if he is injured which Bears put him in the PUP list. So he has done nothing that violates the CBA if you want to play that game.

Its a near certainty that he's healthy and the Bears are accomodating him because they don't want to make a huge deal of it. If he were actually hurt we'd have some details about it by now.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

The CBA allows him to complain about his contract, report to camp and not practice if he is injured which Bears put him in the PUP list. So he has done nothing that violates the CBA if you want to play that game.

Again. I have no problem with it.

My only problem is with the “oh but he may get injured” whining.

 

[remydat]

The thing is the Bears assumed a lot of risk when they put him on that fifth year option. They can't undo it once its done and for an eighth overall pick it was a lot of money for a position that doesn't really command a lot of money otherwise. Roquan Smith was probably just fine with it when the Bears assumed all the risk, now he's holding out when the shoe is on the other foot?

If he wants the long-term contract he can go out there and earn it by acting playing like All-Pro for once. And if he gets hurt oh well, he managed to squeeze every cent possible out of a top ten draft contract. That's not small potatoes. There is some cause for him to be disgruntled but a hold out, especially for a team in the first year of a new coaching regime, is too far IMO.

This is more bullshit. Quan would have been a FA earlier without the 5th year option and would have more than 10m a year if he had was allowed to be a FA agent. The 5th year option benefits the team not the player. They don't execute the 5th year option unless they think a player is worth it. See your favorite QB as an example.