Official: Winter Meetings Thread

[dabynsky]

Because Ramirez is still an all-star and Zambrano isn't at their points in their careers.

As long as you are willing to acknowledge that point...

 

[waldo7239117]

Well, this Winter Meetings is more boring than in the past. Not many moves or even legit rumors thus far. Day 2 of the Winter Meetings was manly about 1B sluggers Albert Pujols and Prince Fielder. Here’s the latest from a boring day 2:

Albert Pujols:
* All the news at the Winter Meetings was manly about Albert Pujols. Tweets were non-stop when regaring the big time 1B. When Pujols was mentioned, the Miami Marlins were linked in the same sentence. As it seems Pujols will be a Marlin and that can happen any time now. The only hold-up in the deal is that Pujols wants a no trade cause and the Marlins won’t budge on giving him it. The deal is worth 10 years and around 240 million. So… Pujols contract will be a NTC after 5 years with the Marlins. When his 10/5 rights kick in (10 years in the majors and 5 years with that respected team). The Marlins are contempt on not giving a NTC and they will not. If they gave Pujols a NTC, he would be a Marlin now.

* Phil Rogers said Albert Pujols will have a decision within the next 36 hours.

* The Cubs reportedly made a bid for Albert Pujols, but are not too serious. Meaning, the offer wasn’t serious and know Pujols won’t consider the offer. All reports agreed that the Cubs offer Pujols a contract, but Cubs beat-writer Carrie Muskat. So… the Cubs most likely made a bid for Pujols. But don’t look anything into the offer.

* The Cards will still not budge on their offer and it looks like the Cards are looking elsewhere. they are still hopefull in re-signing Pujols, but not optimistic. Actually the Cards did make a new offer for Pujols, but doesn’t figure to be too much above their original offer.

Prince Fielder:
* Another hot topic today was Prince Fielder, but not as big as Pujols. The Cubs reportedly made a bid for Fielder or are going too tonight. Team Theo was expected to have a meeting with Fielder’s agent Scott Boras today. The Cubs do not want to go more than 5 years. More money a year rather than go the years in length. Which may be the deal breaker in the Cubs signing Albert. Scott Boras said there are many teams calling for Fielder, but a lot of those teams are dropping out. It may fall right into the Cubs hand. Fielder also says he wants to play where he’ll feel most comfortable. Another reason the Cubs sound like a good fit as he knows and played against them a lot. New Cubs manager said the Cubs have not talked about Prince Fielder yet. But goes on to say, that I know of. So.. the Cubs probably have talked about Fielder and Epstein/Hoyer are keeping it on the low. We all know they are good at that.

*However, according to Jim Bowden of ESPN, it sounds like the Mariners are the favorites in signing Prince Fielder and will go higher in years. As he can switch to DH when he gets more up there in age. I just have one question… why would Fielder want to go to the M’s? They are not going to compete and may not win in his contract. The only way he’ll go the M’s is for the money and that would not be the right decision for Fielder.

*The Brewers are looking at other options and in their minds, they know Fielder will not be a Brewer in 2012. The Brewers GM Doug Melvin is not even talking to Scott Boras now. Which only means, he’s done with Fielder. They are heavy favorites for ex Cub Aramis Ramirez and have talked to the agent of Jimmy Rollins.

*The O’s also drop out of the Fielder sweepstakes (as of now) and the Angels are focusing on other options, like pitcher CJ Wilson. Also, the Jays won’t go more than 5 years and won’t offer more a year. The Jays GM said they’re probably out of the Fielder sweepstakes.

* So.. it looks like it could be down to the Cubs and M’s of whom will land the big 1B Prince Fielder.

Other notes… non Fielder or Pujols related:

* The Cubs are pushing the O’s to take Soriano and told them he can play LF/DH. The Cubs will pay majority of the 3 years/54 million left on his contract. The Cubs would receive a low ‘spect or a PTBNP. It’s manly a salary dump. This rumor is legit, but have not heard much on it lately.

* Don’t look for an Ian Stewart trade any time soon.. the Cubs lost interest in Stewart. From the sound of it, the Cubs don’t want to trade any of Tyler Colvin, DJ LeMaheiu and Scott Maine. I’m all for the Cubs not trading for Stewart. He wouldn’t help the Cubs too much and may not even be worth it. However, the Rox and Cubs could pick up where they left off any time.

* You can cross off Mark Buehrle on the Cubs list. He narrowed his list down to 5 teams and the Cubs were not one of the five. We all knew Buehrle would not a Cub because of his asking price, but he officially won’t now.

*If the Marlins do in fact sign Pujols, the Cubs would call the Marlins regarding Gaby Sanchez. He’s a year older than Fielder, but WAY cheaper. He’s still under team’s control for 3 more yeas. He’s not Fielder, but still would be a good acquisition for the Cubs.

So.. here’s hopeful to a more fun Wednesday. No rumors regarding the Cubs, but moves!

 

[Rice Cube]

If we have what it takes, I'd trade for Hanley. Move Castro to 3B or 2B.

My guess is that the Cubs aren't ready to move Castro off SS yet.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Just because the Cubs have money doesn't necessarily mean it will be spent in getting better players for the MLB club.

Yes it does. The new CBA means we can only spend so much in the draft. It means that we're going to have to put more money into the MLB team. This attitude you have could have worked before the new CBA, but with the new CBA it just isn't gonna fly anymore.

Watching Theo interview, reading articles he asked fans for patience, they going to sign a lot of shit players for depth and even read article LaHair has about 99% chance to be starting 1B over Fielder or Pujojs

Link?

Headly has only had 2 seasons with 400 at bats and the best he's done is .264. I don't get all this hype. I'm not saying he would be bad but the rampant assumption around here is that he'll be awesome and he still has a lot to prove.

Also, where is this coming from that DeJesus will be the lead off hitter. Is Brett Jackson going to Arizona for spring training? What if he does well?

Fielder or Castro should be the 3 hitter over Headley.

Since when is BA a meaningful stat?

He'd be awesome here because of his home/road splits. He has a 150 difference in his OPS. That's a lot. He could easily put up a .800 OPS at Wrigley.

Actually, the 3 hitter is supposed to be the best hitter in your lineup. You want the big bat coming up in as many RBI situations as possible. This is why Fielder should be #3 if you're going to insist on Castro at #2. If you move Castro to 3, then OK. Headley's best season with over 400 at bats is .264. That's hardly worth not pushign Fielder up towards the table setters.

For someone to be a 3 in front of Fielder, they would need to be a significant run producer themself. If they're not, you don't want to risk having someone end innings with Fielder on deck.

I wouldnt put a lot of stock in what Levine is saying. It's not like DeJesus has been so awesome that it's an undeniable certainty that he'll produce well enough to bat lead off. DeJesus could be a good leadoff hitter but it's more likely that he would be an excellent table setter at the bottom of order when the lineup wraps around.

The #3 hitter is supposed to be your worst hitter out of your top 5 hitters. Because of this, we want Fielder 4th, where your big slugger ideally goes.

As for DeJesus, he kind of has been. Look at his career stats. His OBP is over .350. That'd be pretty sick in the leadoff spot. Why would you want him at the bottom of the order and who would you suggest takes his spot as the leadoff hitter?

If we have what it takes, I'd trade for Hanley. Move Castro to 3B or 2B.

Theo has mentioned how important defense is. For that reason alone we won't get Hanley. Hanley is worse than Castro is at SS.

 

[Jntg4]

If we have what it takes, I'd trade for Hanley. Move Castro to 3B or 2B.

There was a report today that Epstein has already decided that Castro will stay a SS.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
#Mets trading Pagan. #MLB

 

[Captain Obvious]

https://twitter.com/#!/Ken_Rosenthal/status/144247648684224512

Rosenthal says Ervin Santana to be made available if Angels sign CJ. Cubs take a flyer on him?

 

[Capt. Serious]

Pagan traded to Giants for Torres & Ramon Ramirez

 

[nwfisch]

Yes it does. The new CBA means we can only spend so much in the draft. It means that we're going to have to put more money into the MLB team. This attitude you have could have worked before the new CBA, but with the new CBA it just isn't gonna fly anymore.



Link?


Since when is BA a meaningful stat?

He'd be awesome here because of his home/road splits. He has a 150 difference in his OPS. That's a lot. He could easily put up a .800 OPS at Wrigley.



The #3 hitter is supposed to be your worst hitter out of your top 5 hitters. Because of this, we want Fielder 4th, where your big slugger ideally goes.

As for DeJesus, he kind of has been. Look at his career stats. His OBP is over .350. That'd be pretty sick in the leadoff spot. Why would you want him at the bottom of the order and who would you suggest takes his spot as the leadoff hitter?




Theo has mentioned how important defense is. For that reason alone we won't get Hanley. Hanley is worse than Castro is at SS.

What is this attitude I have? Being realistic about the Ricketts financial situation?

I guess to be a fan in this forum

ZOMG Headley Wilson and Fielder :fap::fap::fap:

 

[Captain Obvious]

What is this attitude I have? Being realistic about the Ricketts financial situation?

I guess to be a fan in this forum

ZOMG Headley Wilson and Fielder :fap::fap::fap:

The attitude that the Cubs can put as much money as they want into the draft. They can't. They are limited in what they can do. You're such a tool. Yes, to be a fan in this forum you have to want Headley Fielder and Wilson. That's exactly it. You aren't being realistic about the Ricketts financial situation. You're going off of what Dewey says because you do not have the balls to take your own stance.

 

[inactiveuser1]

The attitude that the Cubs can put as much money as they want into the draft. They can't. They are limited in what they can do. You're such a tool. Yes, to be a fan in this forum you have to want Headley Fielder and Wilson. That's exactly it. You aren't being realistic about the Ricketts financial situation. You're going off of what Dewey says because you do not have the balls to take your own stance.

Words of wisdom from CO :gtfo: fisch is the nicest guy here and everyone knows it, just like we know your one of the biggest tools here

 

[Capt. Serious]

Chase Headley..HOF bound. :fap:

 

[dabynsky]

Joel Sherman is tweeting that the Cubs are definitely in on Pujols. Man I wish our FO wasn't so good at hiding what they are doing.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Words of wisdom from CO :gtfo: fisch is the nicest guy here and everyone knows it, just like we know your one of the biggest tools here

Good. I'm glad that he is a nice guy. That's wonderful. Doesn't mean he knows shit about baseball. Doesn't mean he can read. Doesn't mean he can't take a break from sucking Dewey's balls.

Chase Headley..HOF bound. :fap:

Do you have a better option for 3B?

 

[Jntg4]

Chase Headley..HOF bound. :fap:

 

[inactiveuser1]

Good. I'm glad that he is a nice guy. That's wonderful. Doesn't mean he knows shit about baseball. Doesn't mean he can read. Doesn't mean he can't take a break from sucking Dewey's balls.



Do you have a better option for 3B?

He knows more than you and obviously he can read :facepalm: your a fucking idiot :yep:

 

[nwfisch]

The attitude that the Cubs can put as much money as they want into the draft. They can't. They are limited in what they can do. You're such a tool. Yes, to be a fan in this forum you have to want Headley Fielder and Wilson. That's exactly it. You aren't being realistic about the Ricketts financial situation. You're going off of what Dewey says because you do not have the balls to take your own stance.

Where did I say the Cubs can put as much as they want in the draft? I said I don't believe Ricketts has the resources right now to improve the MLB club. I haven't seen Ricketts spend big bucks yet.
He made a great move in getting Epstein and co., and if those guys continue to develop players through the draft, like they have throughout their entire professional careers, the Cubs will be in great shape not only with W-L record, but financially as well.

 

[Jntg4]

JoeCawks you're a fucking idiot :yep:

fixed your grammar and changed who it was directed at for the hell of it.

 

[inactiveuser1]

fixed your grammar and changed who it was directed at for the hell of it.

Sorry I'm on the iPad, it has auto spell check i must've screwed something up

 

[Jntg4]

Sorry I'm on the iPad, it has auto spell check i must've screwed something up

Wrong "you're"