Official Zambrano News Updates Thread

[nwfisch]

They aren't career. Just 2011.

He really doesn't suck at all. In fact, he's been a top 3 3B this year in the MLB.


I agree that he is getting paid too much, but you're acting like he's getting Z's money with Z's performance. That's not true. He's actually quite valuable to this team. I don't really think that that is that hard to see.

He's been a 3.5 WAR player for 14.6 million. That's really about right what 3.5 is worth.

It says how much 3B has declined when Rammy is still top 3.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

That doesn't seem right just from glancing at it.

He's batting .309 and has 83 RBIs. So, if he's batting .291 w/ RISP, that means that almost 100% of the time he gets a hit, there's a runner in scoring position and scores a run?

Or are those variables completely separate... like AVG vs. AVG w/ RISP?

It just doesn't seem like he could have a .291 average with the year he's been having even though he's been having a good post ASB.

idk..

 

[nwfisch]

That doesn't seem right just from glancing at it.

He's batting .309 and has 83 RBIs. So, if he's batting .291 w/ RISP, that means that almost 100% of the time he gets a hit, there's a runner in scoring position and scores a run?

Or are those variables completely separate... like AVG vs. AVG w/ RISP?

It just doesn't seem like he could have a .291 average with the year he's been having even though he's been having a good post ASB.

idk..

Those stats would be seperate.

What bugs me about Rammy is he doesn't seem interested in playing defense. And doesn't show up when the team needs him the most.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

Those stats would be seperate.

What bugs me about Rammy is he doesn't seem interested in playing defense. And doesn't show up when the team needs him the most.

Alright, I'm having a super hard time wrapping my head around the difference for some reason.

Either way, it just doesn't seem like he's a good situational hitter for some reason.

 

[nwfisch]

Alright, I'm having a super hard time wrapping my head around the difference for some reason.

Either way, it just doesn't seem like he's a good situational hitter for some reason.

Like I said, a lot of his stats are empty stats. Stats when the season's been decided like this season, and 05, 06.

Spoiler

Bu bu but

 

[2SeamHeat]

Alright, I'm having a super hard time wrapping my head around the difference for some reason.

Either way, it just doesn't seem like he's a good situational hitter for some reason.

It's all about sample size. There have been many guys that have put up huge numbers with RISP, but had mediocre BAs overall... and vice versa.

If a guy goes 10 for 50 he hits .200... but if in those 50 AB 12 were with RISP and he manage 4 hits in those situations he's now hitting .333 with RISP.

 

[Uman85]

Sample size!!! :fap:

 

[Uman85]

If you want to throw out sabermetrics, here's a few for thought.

DRS- 3rd worst in the league at -12
RZR - 2nd worst only above Mark Reynolds of Baltimore at .654
UZR - 3rd worst in baseball at -5.7 only ahead of Reynolds and Chris Johnson of the Astros

He may be producing at the plate this year, but his lackluster fielding skills are a problem.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Like I said, a lot of his stats are empty stats. Stats when the season's been decided like this season, and 05, 06.

Spoiler

Bu bu but

So you can use 05 and 06, but no one else can use 07 and 08. That makes sense.

If you want to throw out sabermetrics, here's a few for thought.

DRS- 3rd worst in the league at -12
RZR - 2nd worst only above Mark Reynolds of Baltimore at .654
UZR - 3rd worst in baseball at -5.7 only ahead of Reynolds and Chris Johnson of the Astros

He may be producing at the plate this year, but his lackluster fielding skills are a problem.

No one is saying he is a gold glover. But he more than out hits his mistakes(or just general suckiness) in the field.

 

[dabynsky]

Oh boy

Rammy's had great regular seasons since he came here, but when the Cubs have been bad, he's gotten off to relatively slow starts, and this year when the Cubs needed him to go early, he didn't until the Cubs were 15 under. To me they are mostly empty stats.

That is just dumb that you think he can control when he gets hot. Don't you think if hitters could do that everyone's offensive numbers would be better? He has had some years where he has had slow starts which sometimes have occurred in years the Cubs were bad. He also has had good starts when this team was doing poorly. In 2009, he was the only thing going for the Cubs prior to getting hurt. In 2007, the Cubs did well in the end, but got off to a pretty slow start as a team with a 10-14 start. Ramirez on the other hand was playing well in that month. You can continue to think about this elaborate theory that somehow Ramirez chooses when he is going to play well, but it isn't supported by evidence.

 

[poodski]

I'm not gonna lie this is one of the funniest threads I have read in a LONG time.

All of the misinformation being spewed around is highly hilarious. Thanks for the good morning read fellas made this dump I took much more enjoyable.

 

[daddies3angels]

I'm not gonna lie this is one of the funniest threads I have read in a LONG time.

All of the misinformation being spewed around is highly hilarious. Thanks for the good morning read fellas made this dump I took much more enjoyable.

opcorn:

 

[nwfisch]

That is just dumb that you think he can control when he gets hot. Don't you think if hitters could do that everyone's offensive numbers would be better? He has had some years where he has had slow starts which sometimes have occurred in years the Cubs were bad. He also has had good starts when this team was doing poorly. In 2009, he was the only thing going for the Cubs prior to getting hurt. In 2007, the Cubs did well in the end, but got off to a pretty slow start as a team with a 10-14 start. Ramirez on the other hand was playing well in that month. You can continue to think about this elaborate theory that somehow Ramirez chooses when he is going to play well, but it isn't supported by evidence.

So it's not Rammy's fault at all he got to a bad start?

Amazing how much support a player gets whose put up a lot of empty stats throughout his career gets.

 

[EnjoyYourTiger]

I'm not gonna lie this is one of the funniest threads I have read in a LONG time.

All of the misinformation being spewed around is highly hilarious. Thanks for the good morning read fellas made this dump I took much more enjoyable.

Pics or it didn't happen.

So it's not Rammy's fault at all he got to a bad start?

Amazing how much support a player gets whose put up a lot of empty stats throughout his career gets.

I saw the rolleye and was like oh, hai Dewey. Then I saw it was you,

 

[nwfisch]

So you can use 05 and 06, but no one else can use 07 and 08. That makes sense.



No one is saying he is a gold glover. But he more than out hits his mistakes(or just general suckiness) in the field.

I can use what I want, just like how you use flawed metrics to judge players.

You act like 2007-2008 was the best thing ever for the Cubs, and that isn't the case.

Again, I'm amazed at the defense for a player who a) Doesn't care and b) Puts up empty stats.

 

[poodski]

I can use what I want, just like how you use flawed metrics to judge players.

You act like 2007-2008 was the best thing ever for the Cubs, and that isn't the case.

Again, I'm amazed at the defense for a player who a) Doesn't care and b) Puts up empty stats.

How do you know he doesn't care? By not diving for a ball and hurting his shoulder? Oh wait he did that.

What about this whole empty stats thing. I don't even understand that argument. Hasnt it been proven many times he has performed when we needed him to?

I don't like Aramis one bit but at least I can say he has produced well for us.

 

[poodski]

Pics or it didn't happen.



I saw the rolleye and was like oh, hai Dewey. Then I saw it was you,

Trust me thats something you do not want to see.

 

[nwfisch]

How do you know he doesn't care? By not diving for a ball and hurting his shoulder? Oh wait he did that.

What about this whole empty stats thing. I don't even understand that argument. Hasnt it been proven many times he has performed when we needed him to?

I don't like Aramis one bit but at least I can say he has produced well for us.

A majority of the time, like this year, 05 06 all his years with the Pirates, and 09 when he came back. The season's fate was well in hand, and no matter what he did, that wasn't going to change. That's what I define as empty stats.

He was the reason the Cubs went far in 03, and a big part of coming back in 07 and 08.

 

[poodski]

Just to point out his ops in April was better than team/league average.

06 nothing was saving this team so I am not even going to bother looking that up.

05 he put up his stats in June and July which we were still well in it.

This really is all just a fallacy. He's a notable late starter which is problematic but there is nothing to show he doesn't produce under any circumstance later in the year. Team winning or losing he always seems to produce when the weather gets warm.

 

[poodski]

Aramis isn't the team. He can only control himself.

From what you all have said is that he has produced down the line when it doesn't matter. Which is true.

But he has also produced when it does matter.

Rather than him producing only when it doesn't matter why not change it to he only produces when it's not winter.