Official Zambrano News Updates Thread

[poodski]

In fact in august/sept the only three months he has ha as a cub under an 830 OPS were in 05, 09, and 10.

All years we didn't make it. So when we did make it he performed well down the stretch.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Didn't know Zambrano was Ramirez

 

[Rice Cube]

Didn't know Zambrano was Ramirez

You know how it is, they all look the same...

/racist'd

 

[dabynsky]

So it's not Rammy's fault at all he got to a bad start?

Well Dewey, is it any player's fault that they have hot and cold streaks in baseball or do you expect people to be able to hit the same no matter what all the time?

Amazing how much support a player

I love how when I dispute spurrious, at best, reasoning that it is an amazing level of support for player. Why are the only two options that Aramis Ramirez is a terrible human being that only plays when it doesn't matter or he is the greatest third baseman of all the time?

gets whose put up a lot of empty stats throughout his career gets.

Following that logic out you must really hate Jose Bautista and all those empty homeruns he has hit the past two season.

Aramis isn't the team. He can only control himself.

From what you all have said is that he has produced down the line when it doesn't matter. Which is true.

But he has also produced when it does matter.

Rather than him producing only when it doesn't matter why not change it to he only produces when it's not winter.

In fact in august/sept the only three months he has ha as a cub under an 830 OPS were in 05, 09, and 10.

All years we didn't make it. So when we did make it he performed well down the stretch.

Great points which again dispute this idea that Ramirez only puts up his numbers when the games don't matter.

Didn't know Zambrano was Ramirez

We didn't start this with a throw away line about Ramirez only playing when it didn't matter.

 

[nwfisch]

That is just dumb that you think he can control when he gets hot. Don't you think if hitters could do that everyone's offensive numbers would be better? He has had some years where he has had slow starts which sometimes have occurred in years the Cubs were bad. He also has had good starts when this team was doing poorly. In 2009, he was the only thing going for the Cubs prior to getting hurt. In 2007, the Cubs did well in the end, but got off to a pretty slow start as a team with a 10-14 start. Ramirez on the other hand was playing well in that month. You can continue to think about this elaborate theory that somehow Ramirez chooses when he is going to play well, but it isn't supported by evidence.

LOL when did I come up with a theory? My theory is he put up empty stats throughout his career, and doesn't play good defense.

Well Dewey, is it any player's fault that they have hot and cold streaks in baseball or do you expect people to be able to hit the same no matter what all the time?
I love how when I dispute spurrious, at best, reasoning that it is an amazing level of support for player. Why are the only two options that Aramis Ramirez is a terrible human being that only plays when it doesn't matter or he is the greatest third baseman of all the time?

You're the one making it one or the other. I've given Rammy plenty of credit, even calling him the best offensive player for the Cubs since 04, if not 03.

Following that logic out you must really hate Jose Bautista and all those empty homeruns he has hit the past two season.

Now we compare Rammy to a MVP candidate?

I'm saying Rammy played well throughout his career, yet being on the Cubs and Pirates, a lot of his stats are empty, through no real fault of his own.


That being said, I want Rammy and Zambrano gone.

 

[dabynsky]

LOL when did I come up with a theory? My theory is he put up empty stats throughout his career, and doesn't play good defense.



You're the one making it one or the other. I've given Rammy plenty of credit, even calling him the best offensive player for the Cubs since 04, if not 03.




Now we compare Rammy to a MVP candidate?*

I'm saying Rammy played well throughout his career, yet being on the Cubs and Pirates, a lot of his stats are empty, through no real fault of his own.


That being said, I want Rammy and Zambrano gone.

Thanks that is all I've been arguing.

*And you still don't get how pointing out how using the criteria you've selected would mean that you also dislike vastly better players is an effective of challenging the criteria you set up?

 

[nwfisch]

Thanks that is all I've been arguing.

That doesn't mean I can't call Rammy out for not preforming..........................................

 

[dabynsky]

That doesn't mean I can't call Rammy out for not preforming..........................................

But you just said it wasn't his fault that his performance occurred in empty times (which again ignores the huge stretch runs he has had when this team was in it).

 

[nwfisch]

But you just said it wasn't his fault that his performance occurred in empty times (which again ignores the huge stretch runs he has had when this team was in it).

That still doesn't mean I can't call him out for not moving his feet on defense, not going 1st to even 2nd on hard hit balls, and not preforming.

What do you call 05, 06, 2nd half of 09, 10, 11? 2nd half of 03, all of 07, and all of 08 are the only times when his performance led to a stretch run.

And guess what, when he got there? He failed. Some of it was good pitching, but most of it was him not hitting the ball.

Still doesn't mean I can't say his stats aren't good enough for me, and that I wanted him to preform to a better start to keep the Cubs afloat.

 

[dabynsky]

That still doesn't mean I can't call him out for not moving his feet on defense, not going 1st to even 2nd on hard hit balls, and not preforming.

Have I said that you can't? The argument has solely been about when Ramirez performs. All of those things have no effect on that statement.

What do you call 05, 06, 2nd half of 09, 10, 11? 2nd half of 03, all of 07, and all of 08 are the only times when his performance led to a stretch run.

And guess what, when he got there? He failed. Some of it was good pitching, but most of it was him not hitting the ball.

Just so I can have you claim that I am calling Ramirez a Hall of Famer, I'm going to bring up a familar name. Ryne Sandberg and his career .660 April OPS. How many seasons you think Ryno put up empty numbers because his team sucked and was out of it by the end April?

Still doesn't mean I can't say his stats aren't good enough for me, and that I wanted him to preform to a better start to keep the Cubs afloat.

Sure as long as you understand that it is a silly criteria to judge a player by, and the list of 3B with better stats this year is pretty slim.

 

[Uman85]

Ramirez's D is awful. His bat is above-average during the year and SO FAR in his postseason appearances he's not been clutch. That good for everyone?

 

[dabynsky]

Ramirez's D is awful. His bat is above-average during the year and SO FAR in his postseason appearances he's not been clutch. That good for everyone?

That about sums it up.

 

[nwfisch]

Have I said that you can't? The argument has solely been about when Ramirez performs. All of those things have no effect on that statement.

Just so I can have you claim that I am calling Ramirez a Hall of Famer, I'm going to bring up a familar name. Ryne Sandberg and his career .660 April OPS. How many seasons you think Ryno put up empty numbers because his team sucked and was out of it by the end April?



Sure as long as you understand that it is a silly criteria to judge a player by, and the list of 3B with better stats this year is pretty slim.

OK Ramirez preforms all the time when he's on the field. I've said many times that he's been the best offensive player on the Cubs since 04, perhaps 03.

And I misread one of your statements and you repeatedly bring it up, hurl the insult about me not being able to read now.

I don't dabs, I'd care to guess that unfortunately a lot of players stats on the Cubs are empty due to the relative lack of postseason success. Now is where you'll say that I keep beating a dead horse.

Judge a player? I've called him the best offensive player on the Cubs since 04, perhaps 03. Now is when you say that I'm still wrong for saying that.

 

[Rice Cube]

I'd actually be really surprised if Z were a Cub next season. I guess nothing should surprise us these days regarding the Cubs though :lol:

/futile attempt at steering thread back on course

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

not sure what is being argued here but to sum up my view

zambrano is a net negative in terms of impact..again his antics dominate more than this game now..he's declining..he's a hothead...he has a massive liability contract because he is not even worth half of his contract imo..

and again why bring him back when he's retired? it makes the cubs FO look desperate as well as pathetic and frankly it would be a backwards step after having taken a forwards one

ramirez is a good player...good power production...always been consistently productive OFFENSIVELY...defensively completely another story...he is not a very good defender at all which is why i dont think highly of him....i do wish he was moved but in the current circumstance he's a good offensive option to have at 3B...

 

[nwfisch]

I'd actually be really surprised if Z were a Cub next season. I guess nothing should surprise us these days regarding the Cubs though :lol:

/futile attempt at steering thread back on course

Zambrano and Rammy need to :gtfo:

 

[dabynsky]

OK Ramirez preforms all the time when he's on the field. I've said many times that he's been the best offensive player on the Cubs since 04, perhaps 03.

And I misread one of your statements and you repeatedly bring it up, hurl the insult about me not being able to read now.

I don't dabs, I'd care to guess that unfortunately a lot of players stats on the Cubs are empty due to the relative lack of postseason success. Now is where you'll say that I keep beating a dead horse.

Judge a player? I've called him the best offensive player on the Cubs since 04, perhaps 03. Now is when you say that I'm still wrong for saying that.

I would have let that honest mistake go, but here was your response to me asking about whether you wanted Bautista because his numbers are empty by your criteria just this afternoon:

Now we compare Rammy to a MVP candidate?

I didn't say you couldn't read. However, I think we all get it. Ramirez has positives and negatives and it is up to you whether or not the positives outweigh the negatives or not. Just so we are clear I am going to respond to comments like Ramirez always producing when it doesn't count because it is so often repeated and as we've shown it really isn't a worthwhile critera for judging a player.

 

[Rice Cube]

not sure what is being argued here but to sum up my view

zambrano is a net negative in terms of impact..again his antics dominate more than this game now..he's declining..he's a hothead...he has a massive liability contract because he is not even worth half of his contract imo..

and again why bring him back when he's retired? it makes the cubs FO look desperate as well as pathetic and frankly it would be a backwards step after having taken a forwards one

ramirez is a good player...good power production...always been consistently productive OFFENSIVELY...defensively completely another story...he is not a very good defender at all which is why i dont think highly of him....i do wish he was moved but in the current circumstance he's a good offensive option to have at 3B...

As someone said dozens of posts ago, I think the new GM will have a say in whether they come back or not to finish out their contracts. They pretty much have to pay Z no matter what unless by some miracle they're allowed to void his contract. Ramirez is a bit different. I could see them just buying him out. Or he might think that he's worth more on the open market and the Cubs can save the option and the buyout. I don't think they'd want to keep Ramirez for more than another season anyway, and certainly not when he's going to be expensive.

 

[nwfisch]

I would have let that honest mistake go, but here was your response to me asking about whether you wanted Bautista because his numbers are empty by your criteria just this afternoon:


I didn't say you couldn't read. However, I think we all get it. Ramirez has positives and negatives and it is up to you whether or not the positives outweigh the negatives or not. Just so we are clear I am going to respond to comments like Ramirez always producing when it doesn't count because it is so often repeated and as we've shown it really isn't a worthwhile critera for judging a player.

Many on here have claimed Bautista to be a MVP candidate, I say he is not.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Many on here have claimed Bautista to be a MVP candidate, I say he is not.

I'd take him though