Offseason discussion/rumors

[BaBaBlacksheep]

MLB ranks him at #1 in the game though. Baseball America often differs. Either way he's a hell of a talent. I'm surprised Boston gave him up.

I agree he's a great talent.... just pointing out it's not undisputed that he's #1 is all.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I agree he's a great talent.... just pointing out it's not undisputed that he's #1 is all.

They had him #1 midseason.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/midseason-top-100-prospects/#mm55udLIBSmaqfeD.97

Who do they have #1 now? Legitimate question, I'm not finding it.

 

[beckdawg]

I don't think the White Sox got hosed. The market obviously wasn't there for 3 top 100 prospects. Instead they got the game's undisputed #1 prospect and a guy in Kopech that could be a really nice righty fit in that rotation as early as 2018. Add him to Quintana and Rodon and a rebuild piece like Moncada in the middle of the lineup and I think the White Sox come up smelling like roses. Unless they **** something up...

Eh... i think it's fair to both sides. Moncada is the only true "can't miss" guy. Kopech is very interesting but he's not been the best at controlling his walk rate. We're talking about a really interesting 11.5 k/9 over 134 innings but also a 4.6 bb/9. The could easily relegate him to the bullpen if he doesn't figure it out. To me he's more of a very interesting lottery ticket. Basabe is also some what interesting as he can play CF and has hit ok. He doesn't look like a star in the making though. Victor Diaz is a 22 reliever.

Overall, I think the Red Sox should be happy with the price. Personally, I'm not a huge Moncada/Kopech guy. I prefer pitchability guys like Hendricks to tools-y guys and Moncada while an interesting bat strikes out too much(24.2%) while not playing a premium position. That's not to say the white sox did bad in what they got. They are getting 7 years of Moncada who's put up a 150 wRC+. They might basically have dealt for a 21 year old Robinson Cano. If that's what Moncada becomes the trade is well worth it. Kopech I'd put a high boom/bust rate on but he could obviously be a useful pitcher if he figures it out. Basabe is probably a useful depth guy.

 

[DMelt36]

The Red Sox are paying Moncada's contract. Whoa.

 

[beckdawg]

edit: nevermind

 

[brett05]

No way the White Sox were offered those two guys and took the Red Sox deal. Maybe they like that group more but it's not better than the National "offer".

For the White Sox it's way, way better of a deal that they passed on Washington.

 

[brett05]

edit: nevermind

I am guessing his signing bonus was spread out.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

For the White Sox it's way, way better of a deal that they passed on Washington.

Without question. Robles could be 2 years away and that's an eternity in minor league ball. I like Giolito but I wouldn't say that Kopech couldn't have just as bright a future. Moncada will be ready and playing for your guys on opening day and Kopech could be up as soon as September. That pitching staff could remain quite good and now you've got 2 young stars in Moncada and Anderson. It will be interesting to see the moves that come next.

 

[beckdawg]

I am guessing his signing bonus was spread out.

Yeah I didn't realize that. Hence why I edited. I knew he wasn't on a major league contract.

 

[brett05]

Yeah I didn't realize that. Hence why I edited. I knew he wasn't on a major league contract.

Found this on a sox message board
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/110285338/breaking-down-yoan-moncadas-contract-with-red-sox/

 

[brett05]

Without question. Robles could be 2 years away and that's an eternity in minor league ball. I like Giolito but I wouldn't say that Kopech couldn't have just as bright a future. Moncada will be ready and playing for your guys on opening day and Kopech could be up as soon as September. That pitching staff could remain quite good and now you've got 2 young stars in Moncada and Anderson. It will be interesting to see the moves that come next.

They need to keep tearing the team down and work on scouting and player development like yesterday. Honestly, pilfer some Cubs FO folks and scouts.

 

[beckdawg]

Without question. Robles could be 2 years away and that's an eternity in minor league ball. I like Giolito but I wouldn't say that Kopech couldn't have just as bright a future. Moncada will be ready and playing for your guys on opening day and Kopech could be up as soon as September. That pitching staff could remain quite good and now you've got 2 young stars in Moncada and Anderson. It will be interesting to see the moves that come next.

I'd personally rather Robles/Giolito assuming health for all parties involve which might not be fair given Giolito already went under the knife. To me, Robles isn't that much of a risk even being 19. He's got the same sort of floor Almora does because he plays great defense in CF. He's also hit .306/.401/.458 on his career in the minors. He could very well be in the majors in 2018 and obviously plays a premium position. Giolito in my eyes is more likely to reach his pitching ceiling than Kopech right now. I think you can find decent hitting 2B's else where. CF is so much more difficult to fill. That being said, I don't think there is a vast difference between the two groupings.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

Solid move for the Sox. Finally Reinsdorf got it through his senile brain that being a treadmill team is the worst possible place to be. Trading Sale is a start but now they need to see the plan all the way out. That means moving Abreu, Frazier, and if they get a decent return, Quintana, too. Heck, I'd move Robertson too if somebody gives up a legitimate prospect.

Even though the White Sox are one of the more poorly run franchises in baseball, I think that is primary a reflection of Reinsdorf being one of the most over rated owners in sports history. Hahn is a very capable GM and I think he'll do an excellent job. But Senile Jerry needs to let him see his vision out. Getting rid of Ventura was a key move, as well.

Renteria should be a good bridge Manager for a few years until the young guys are ready to run. The White Sox need to sell the farm and tear this POS flaming pile of trash all the way up.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Solid move for the Sox. Finally Reinsdorf got it through his senile brain that being a treadmill team is the worst possible place to be. Trading Sale is a start but now they need to see the plan all the way out. That means moving Abreu, Frazier, and if they get a decent return, Quintana, too. Heck, I'd move Robertson too if somebody gives up a legitimate prospect.

Even though the White Sox are one of the more poorly run franchises in baseball, I think that is primary a reflection of Reinsdorf being one of the most over rated owners in sports history. Hahn is a very capable GM and I think he'll do an excellent job. But Senile Jerry needs to let him see his vision out. Getting rid of Ventura was a key move, as well.

Renteria should be a good bridge Manager for a few years until the young guys are ready to run. The White Sox need to sell the farm and tear this POS flaming pile of trash all the way up.

Actually if I were them I'd leave pitching alone. In a year that could be a solid staff with Quintana, Rodon, Kopech & Fulmer. Now they have two young core stars, they could use two more. I'd trade Frazier, Robertson and see what someone would give for Abreau. I'd probably listen on Eaton but he's also a nice stabilizer if they get a young OF or two. I think Rick Hahn is a smart guy, I'm not sure I think that about Kenny Williams and it's not always clear who's calling the shots. I am not a White Sox hater, they were my Dad's and my brother's team (both gone now), so I wish them well.

 

[Washington]

Does this trade for Sale make Boston the favorites in the AL? If I'm a Boston fan, I'm really digging this.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Does this trade for Sale make Boston the favorites in the AL? If I'm a Boston fan, I'm really digging this.

I would think it does. Cleveland will probably still be awfully good, Houston, Seattle, Texas and Toronto will compete but if I'm picking right now in the AL it's Boston.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

Does this trade for Sale make Boston the favorites in the AL? If I'm a Boston fan, I'm really digging this.

We'll see. The Indians cruised to the WS with 40% of their starting rotation out. They'll be pretty tough again. But adding Sale will certainly help. Price pitched 230 innings but you'd like to see a better ERA than 3.99 for the contract he got. Porcello was excellent, of course, and Wright was very good -- although he only pitched 150 innings or so.

Pomeratz was a disaster and Buckholtz was awful. Plus they have a lot of work to do in the bullpen. I think Boston will need to more pitching to win it all.

 

[beckdawg]

I strongly doubt boston is done. Interestingly, they dealt away both Shaw and Moncada who would presumably both be names to consider for their 3B. They still have Sandoval and Holt but that's not very inspiring. They already have $172.8 mil committed to 2017 with another $26.6 in likely arbitration costs. With the luxury tax being roughly $190 mil if memory serves, they might need to look to trades. Sandoval makes $17.6 mil but it would surprise me if they can move him for anything useful given he's owed another $54.8 mil and hasn't been close to that value. Buchholz is set to make $13.5 mil. They could probably move him in this market.

There's a case to be made the cubs might shop Candelario to them. Devers is at least 2 years away and given Dumbrowski's MO who knows if he even remains with the sox long term if they develop some other need. Only 3Bs ranked higher than Candelario right now on mlb.com are Devers(A+), Matt Chapman(AAA), and Nick Senzel(A) and i'm dubious on Oakland trading Chapman given they need a 3B too. Other potential options, Rangers with Gallo(?), Rays with Longoria though would they trade in division?, Royals with Moustakas near FA, white sox with Frazier though if they were going to get him surely they would have made a bigger package with the Sale trade no? Those are the teams that come to mind.

Red Sox could also use some C help and maybe a DH though if Sandoval stays and isn't their 3B surely he DH's. Rotation looks great and their bullpen should be strong too.

 

[chibears55]

Why does it feel like the white Sox shorted themselves on this deal?


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[chibears55]

I strongly doubt boston is done. Interestingly, they dealt away both Shaw and Moncada who would presumably both be names to consider for their 3B. They still have Sandoval and Holt but that's not very inspiring. They already have $172.8 mil committed to 2017 with another $26.6 in likely arbitration costs. With the luxury tax being roughly $190 mil if memory serves, they might need to look to trades. Sandoval makes $17.6 mil but it would surprise me if they can move him for anything useful given he's owed another $54.8 mil and hasn't been close to that value. Buchholz is set to make $13.5 mil. They could probably move him in this market.

There's a case to be made the cubs might shop Candelario to them. Devers is at least 2 years away and given Dumbrowski's MO who knows if he even remains with the sox long term if they develop some other need. Only 3Bs ranked higher than Candelario right now on mlb.com are Devers(A+), Matt Chapman(AAA), and Nick Senzel(A) and i'm dubious on Oakland trading Chapman given they need a 3B too. Other potential options, Rangers with Gallo(?), Rays with Longoria though would they trade in division?, Royals with Moustakas near FA, white sox with Frazier though if they were going to get him surely they would have made a bigger package with the Sale trade no? Those are the teams that come to mind.

Red Sox could also use some C help and maybe a DH though if Sandoval stays and isn't their 3B surely he DH's. Rotation looks great and their bullpen should be strong too.

Talk that they will now deal away one of their back end starters like bucholtz

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