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This.
I think it is time we put this "not a #1 scorer" talk to bed.
Jimmy Butler is a SUPERSTAR. Period.
This.
I think it is time we put this "not a #1 scorer" talk to bed.
Jimmy Butler is a SUPERSTAR. Period.
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After what's transpired with Jimmy and especially when Derrick is out, I don't think there's any disputing this. Not a bad pick at the end of the first round. Here's a conversation piece: Who would you rather have, JB or Paul George?
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His game is built on strength, power, and fundamentals. He should have a long prime shelf life, as the 3rd thing never goes, and the first two are the last things that an athlete loses. You can throw stamina in there as well, because I never see him get gassed-infact, he is EVERY BIT as spry 40 minutes in as he is in warmups.
Speed/quickness is the first thing to go, and athletes who rely on it, have a short shelf life. Jimmy's game is not built on speed.
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Neither came in as great scorers. There is some test that they have players take coming into the league, that measures mental determination, and self drive. Jimmy is one of the highest all time scorers on that test.
Jimmy's game, and the way that it is built-coupled with his durability, and drive. Ithink the sky is the limit for him...
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Only thing I worry about is that he won't last physically. He plays so hard and takes a lot of hard falls. I'm not convinced it will last another 6-8 years. Hopefully I'm wrong.
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Yea, MJ and LBJ never played like that
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I don't see LeBron constantly hitting the floor like that.
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this is quite a fucking month hes had but im still not ready to jump out of the window with superstar talks only for him to regress to a his mean a month from now....but admittedly its getting tough and tougher to argue that he isn't
hes still not better than Wade though...Wade dropped a double nickel in 39 minutes
Jimmy will never have a season as good as Wade did that year
hes still not better than Wade though...Wade dropped a double nickel in 39 minutes
Jimmy will never have a season as good as Wade did that yearczman
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Great game by Butler. He took some spills in that game. I worry about his health at the end of the season. I would like to see him get some test in the second half. The Bulls will need to be healthy; especially Butler, if they want to make noise in the playoffs.
4-37, how does that even happen.
4-37, how does that even happen.
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Let's not kid ourselves. Jimmy Butler is a superstar.
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Depends how many "superstars" you think there are in the league. I think 2-3 at any given time. I don't have Butler as a superstar. Some people probably have 20 superstars in the league.
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Let's look at last decade. Shaq, Kobe, KG, Duncan, AI, Nowitzki, LeBron, Wade, T-Mac, Nash... That's a pretty easy 10 right there. Unless you want to include Finley, Gasol, Pierce, Allen, Anthony, Kidd, Francis, Marion, Yao, JO, Arenas, TP, Marbury, B-Dizzy, VC, Amare, Webber, Dwight...
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I'd say 5 right now.. I'd say LeBron-Curry-KD-Westbrook-Anthony Davis fall under the Superstar clause. Leonard, Paul, Harden flirt with it.
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Paul is most definitely a superstar.
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Of those guys I'd label Superstars.. Shaq, Kobe, KG, Duncan, AI.. Dirk was for like one season.. LeBron, Wade
T-Mac had pretty numbers, but nothing he did IMO makes him a Superstar. Nash won two MVPs, I'd never say he was a Superstar though.
Your subset hardly any of them were really ever superstars. Kidd probably had the highest of them all on there. Pierce's prime was mostly wasted. The other guys had great seasons, but never the consistency/ over the top leadership of guys like Shaq/Kobe/KG/Duncan.
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We have a different idea of superstar. I never considered KG/t-mac/Nowitzk/Nashi superstars. AI was not a superstar in the last decade, his last superstar year was 05-06. I have maybe 6 in the last decade. Not all at the same time mind you.
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I have Lebron, KD, Curry. That is all. I know I have a higher standard than most for the "superstar" label. It has been pointed out to me that I hold a higher standard for that word.
I still don't see how Butler gets into superstar status unless you are very liberal.
I still don't see how Butler gets into superstar status unless you are very liberal.
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Wut.
Just because Iverson and LeBron, for example, weren't both "superstars" at the same time, it doesn't mean there weren't many more than three. The fact that you don't consider a group of players that combined for 4 MVPs and another guy with like three scoring titles "superstars" says a lot about your opinion.
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Dirk was a legit superstar for the better part of last decade. One season? C'mon.
T-Mac was a dominant force from 2000-2005. He was basically the best scorer in the league as well as a point forward, as well as a very good defensive player. He was a legit superstar.
Nash was basically Steph Curry before Steph Curry. He was not as dominant of a three-point shooter but still in the top 10 of all-time. He was a better passer but much more of a liability defensively. The guy was a superstar. He's one of the greatest offensive forces of all-time.
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