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I'm pretty sure the 2 year old boy wasn't actually swimming by himself. There's a big difference between no swimming and stay out of the water completely.

He was in the water by himself. The father or family was not right next to him.
 

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He was in the water by himself. The father or family was not right next to him.

They were close enough to watch him get dragged off by an alligator, they did their part.

If only Disney had put up better signs...
 

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Where did I say it was descriptive of the issue? I am saying that is irrelevant unless there is evidence of negligence. If there was a long history of gator attacks then a sign to that effect would be responsible. If not then I don't think Disney is required to explain every potential reason why one shouldn't swim.

This idea that I can just disregard a sign saying no swimming because it's not descriptive enough is stupid. As you point out there are a number of reasons why something might say no swimming. Are you suggesting a resort needs to have signs for each one.

No swimming dangerous tides

No swimming dangerous animals

No swimming dangerous bacteria

No swimming undertow

It's stupid. This sign essentially said no swimming because we fucking said so and these parents acted like a kid who decided that they will ignore their parents warnings because their parents didn't sit down and explain verbatim why they told them not to so something.


So what you are saying is, let Disney be reactive instead of proactive? Give 'em a few more kids getting dragged off before they're responsible?

What the ****.
 

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In both cases one can be attacked/murdered by an alligator

Doesn't matter if one can also be attacked/murdered by a great white shark or Somalian pirates. The sign said "No Swimming", the kid wasn't swimming, therefore he wasn't breaking the rules or disobeying the sign. It's as simple as that.
 

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Then why, or maybe more importantly, how is Disney World putting up new signs?
Because Disney isn't the one who will be paying out the lawsuits. That would be the insurance company. The insurance company will do a completely new safety inspection and make more signage demands in order for Disney to be insured for future incidents.
 

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I'm pretty sure the 2 year old boy wasn't actually swimming by himself. There's a big difference between no swimming and stay out of the water completely.

No there really isn't. Generally speaking when I see no swimming, I presume the water is not fit for touching. If I want to be an idiot and go touch it anyway then I would go ask the staff rather than just assume.

That's kind of how I got here. I am descended from the cave men that saw rustling in the grass and got the **** outta there. This kid's parents were apparently descended from the cave men that went over to the grass to figure out if it was a lion or not. Those guys usually got killed but I guess a few of them got lucky and everytime they checked, it ended up just being the wind. Unfortunately the luck finally ran out.
 

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He was in the water by himself. The father or family was not right next to him.

Irrelevant.

You really need someone to explain to you how signs are put up? It generally involves a hammer, a wooden post, and a Mexican...

The signs are different, doofus. If the old signs at Disney World were adequate (which is what you guys are arguing) then why are they putting up new signs with extra information?
If "No Swimming" is good enough, then why are they adding more?

These are rhetorical questions, of course.
 

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So what you are saying is, let Disney be reactive instead of proactive? Give 'em a few more kids getting dragged off before they're responsible?

What the ****.

Proactive about what? Disney probably never envisioned some idiot parents having their kid playing in the water at night at a lagoon that said no swimming. Expecting a corporation to predict all the iterations of stupid that humans can come up with is a bit much.

The signs are different doofus.. If the old signs at Disney World were adequate (which is what you guys are arguing) then why are they putting up new signs with extra information?
If "No Swimming" is good enough, then why are they adding more?

These are rhetorical questions, by the way.

They are putting up new signs because they now have evidence of the specific stupidity that caused this tragedy.
 

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they now have evidence of the specific stupidity that caused this tragedy.

That evidence has been known for awhile, which is why these signs exist.

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You speak of natural selection with cavemen. Well that also can be applied to companies. Some are smart enough to legally protect themselves, and some are not....
 

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That evidence has been known for awhile, which is why these signs exist.

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You speak of natural selection with cavemen. Well that also can be applied to companies. Some are smart enough to legally protect themselves, and some are not....

They did legally protect themselves. Did no one read the article on Florida's duty laws?
 

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They did legally protect themselves. Did no one read the article on Florida's duty laws?

Bro the signs were not specific enough.... if they said "Keep out of water, child might be eaten by gator" then MAYBE this isn't 110% Disney's fault.

Either way these Special person parents are in no way to blame for letting their child play in lagoon water in Florida at night when alligators hunt.... I mean cmon they are from Nebraska, they don't know any better.
 

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Let's look at what we know:

1. Nebraska family visiting Disney resort
2.Alligator population of over 1 million in Florida
3.A lagoon with underdeveloped areas around lagoon, with Marsh lands prime Gator habitat
4.No swimming sign
5.Did I mention over 1 million Gators in Florida
6.Parents letting go son play in possibly 1 ft water deep at dusk
7.Gator snatched kid, dad tried to get son
8.I should have mentioned Florida is home to over 1 million alligators

Sorry this falls on the parents. It wouldn't surprise me if they were told gators were there in the surrounding waters, but we're to arrogant or ignorant to ignore a sign that says NO SWIMMING.
 

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Let's look at what we know:

1. Nebraska family visiting Disney resort
2.Alligator population of over 1 million in Florida
3.A lagoon with underdeveloped areas around lagoon, with Marah lands prime Gator habitat
4.No swimming sign
5.Did I mention over 1 million Gators in Florida
6.Parents letting go son play in possibly 1 ft water deep at dusk
7.Gator snatched kid, dad tried to get son
8.I should have mentioned Florida is home to over 1 million alligators

Sorry this falls on the parents. It wouldn't surprise me if they were told gators were there in the surrounding waters, but we're to arrogant or ignorant to ignore a sign that says NO SWIMMING.

They should put up signs that tell people "Florida is home to over 1 million alligators and they will try to eat your toddlers"
 

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They should put up signs that tell people "Florida is home to over 1 million alligators and they will try to eat your toddlers"

And people would still ignore that fact. I've seen dumb ass tourist try to pet Gators. I'm always like I hope that gator snatches you
 

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And people would still ignore that fact. I've seen dumb ass tourist try to pet Gators. I'm always like I hope that gator snatches you

Need signs that say "Don't pet gators".... the "Don't feed gators" signs are not good enuf
 

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Need signs that say "Don't pet gators".... the "Don't feed gators" signs are not good enuf

At the college I went to, there was a sign that said DO NOT MOLEST ALLIGATORS. always made me laugh
 

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