Orlando in the News Again

[Bigfoot]

Hawks if your at this resort with your grandkids, and it's dusk there is a pool close by. You come across this lagoon, and see a sign that says NO SWIMMING, are you going to let your grandkids play in the shallow water?

 

[The Hawk]

Let's look at what we know:

1. Nebraska family visiting Disney resort
2.Alligator population of over 1 million in Florida
3.A lagoon with underdeveloped areas around lagoon, with Marsh lands prime Gator habitat
4.No swimming sign
5.Did I mention over 1 million Gators in Florida
6.Parents letting go son play in possibly 1 ft water deep at dusk
7.Gator snatched kid, dad tried to get son
8.I should have mentioned Florida is home to over 1 million alligators

Sorry this falls on the parents. It wouldn't surprise me if they were told gators were there in the surrounding waters, but we're to arrogant or ignorant to ignore a sign that says NO SWIMMING.

No swimming signs posted in Huntington Beach. Billions of sharks, jellyfish, sea snakes, rays, etc, in water. Kid and parent walk along water. Jellyfish stings kid and kid dies. Shark launches itself from surf and grabs mother and eats her. Sea snake bites father and kills him. Same shit. None in family were swimming. Were they arrogant or ignorant?

 

[Ares]

1. No swimming ≠ No Playing Around in the Area.



I haven't presented an argument as for why the parents are not at fault, because I never took that stance. My current argument is clearly not how much the parents should've known, it's how much Disney World should've known. And it's not a zero-sum game.

You not being able to understand this is what I mean by "awful".

So you are arguing about what Disney should've known.... against no one.... man really killing it then.

Are you faulting Disney entirely? Cause if all you are arguing is that Disney shares part of the blame with the parents, then you are not worth my time, you are Capt Obvious.

 

[remydat]

What lifeguard? Who was swimming? You think that you know exactly what went down at that resort? How? Present some evidence that we do not know but somehow you do?

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...ew-details-on-disney-alligator-attack-w210286

So if this were movie night and the kid was wading in the water, and the parents had to jump in the water when he was snatched, what is the likely scenario? More than likely the parents were busy watching the movie, the kid was playing in the water, the alligator thought he was food and grabbed him and then the parents jumped in to try and rescue him.

If instead the Dad was in the water with the kid, he wouldn't have had to jump in. If he were in between the kid and the deep water, the alligator would have had to grab the Dad.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/child-dragged-gator-lake-disney-resort-florida-search/story?id=39863870

And this article notes that there was a lifeguard. The above also has pictures of the area where the attack took place. Does that look like some relatively safe area for a kid to be wading in the water while he parents watch a movie? Look at all the weeds and grass on the edge of the water and look at the photos of how this place looks at dark. I wouldn't fucking want to be walking around the water at night if I was an adult much less have my kind playing in the water where there are weeds, grass, or growth that look like everglade type shit. Also look at the map of the resort and how fucking big this lagoon is. Like are you fucking with me? The shit is massive and you think it's cool for a kid to be playing near that shit at night? Give me a break.

 

[Bigfoot]

No swimming signs posted in Huntington Beach. Billions of sharks, jellyfish, sea snakes, rays, etc, in water. Kid and parent walk along water. Jellyfish stings kid and kid dies. Shark launches itself from surf and grabs mother and eats her. Sea snake bites father and kills him. Same shit. None in family were swimming. Were they arrogant or ignorant?

Lmfao really Hawks

 

[Ares]

No swimming signs posted in Huntington Beach. Billions of sharks, jellyfish, sea snakes, rays, etc, in water. Kid and parent walk along water. Jellyfish stings kid and kid dies. Shark launches itself from surf and grabs mother and eats her. Sea snake bites father and kills him. Same shit. None in family were swimming. Were they arrogant or ignorant?

Has any of that actually happened, or nah?

 

[The Hawk]

And people would still ignore that fact. I've seen dumb ass tourist try to pet Gators. I'm always like I hope that gator snatches you

Maybe some would ignore a specific sign. But certainly some would not. It could be that those parents were not warned at all. It is completely plausible that they were not.

 

[Houston]

I think it was irresponsible for them to allow their 2 year old child to play in a lagoon in Florida at night when gators hunt..... turns out I am right cause the kid died because a gator attacked and drowned him.

And we think it's irresponsible for Disney World to not warn visitors of alligators....turns out we are right.

 

[The Hawk]

Need signs that say "Don't pet gators".... the "Don't feed gators" signs are not good enuf

Maybe this site needs a sign that says, "Self righteous and judgemental folks will be fed to alligators".

 

[Ares]

And we think it's irresponsible for Disney World to not warn visitors of alligators....turns out we are right.

Cept they do warn visitors about alligators... I know they do because my Aunt and Uncle have stayed there over a hundred times and have been warned by their staff about alligators at areas where the warning is applicable.

Again if you want to argue Disney shares some blame, you are being Capt Obvious.... I am not arguing Disney deserves 0 blame, but I would put the majority of the blame on the parents who let their 2 year old kid play in a lagoon, in Florida, after dark, when alligators hunt.

EDIT:

That is the area they let their kid go play in at night.... the majority of the blame is on the parents for being idiots.

You wanna dick around bitching about whether Disney warned them enough about alligators in lagoons in fucking Florida, have at it.

 

[Ares]

Maybe this site needs a sign that says, "Self righteous and judgemental folks will be fed to alligators".

Has that ever happened or nah?

 

[Bigfoot]

Cept they do warn visitors about alligators... I know they do because my Aunt and Uncle have stayed there over a hundred times and have been warned by their staff about alligators at areas where the warning is applicable.

Again if you want to argue Disney shares some blame, you are being Capt Obvious.... I am not arguing Disney deserves 0 blame, but I would put the majority of the blame on the parents who let their 2 year old kid play in a lagoon, in Florida, after dark, when alligators hunt.

Exactley they tell you upon checking in, to be aware of Alligators in surrounding waters.

 

[remydat]

And since no one read the article Silence posted, here is what lawyers had to say.

Property owners are also not responsible for "invitee" encounters with wild animals, according to state law. The company would be responsible only if the alligators were kept as pets or under Disney's control.

Despite these protections, the company could be held accountable if found to be outright negligent. John Mesirow, a personal injury lawyer in Washington, told the BBC that the case against Disney would be tough legally because of the infrequency of alligator attacks.

"As far as a civil case goes, on the law, it's not that strong." Disney's role will depend on what the resort knew and did about the threat of alligators and whether the "no swimming" signage was considered a reasonable enough warning for its guests.

Joseph Page, a law professor at Georgetown University, told the BBC that unless Disney was found guilty of "egregious misbehaviour", it is unlikely to be found negligent.

"After all, it is Florida," he said. "Everyone knows there are alligators near the water."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36548778

So let's see. Was the gator involved a wild animal? Yes

Was the gator a pet kept by Disney? No

Could it be argued that Disney was negligent because gator attacks are frequent? No

Would it be reasonable to expect that anyone going to Florida knows alligators can be found near the water? Yes.

Based on the lawyers actually quoted in this story some of which try civil cases for a living, they have concluded that it is difficult to claim Disney is liable here. Disney is not responsible for encounters with wild animals not kept as pets and gator attacks are so infrequent that it is unlikely that anyone would expect Disney to have to specifically call out a risk. Finally, it is well enough known that despite the frequency of gator attacks that gators do in fact reside near the water in Florida that people visiting Florida should have the common fucking sense to not have their kid playing in the water while they watch a movie.

 

[Urblock]

Who the **** started this damn thread?

 

[KittiesKorner]

are you about to move it to the cutler forum while still leaving other cutler threads in the bears forum?

 

[Bigfoot]

Who the **** started this damn thread?

Goofball Rango did

 

[gpphat]

1. No swimming ≠ No Playing Around in the Area.

Any normal person not from Nebraska would know that a sign that says no swimming doesn't mean that only someone in their speedo and cap cannot do his laps in the lagoon. It is pretty obvious to the rest of the world who can actually think for themselves to know that no swimming is a pretty clear indication that no one should be near the water. If there was a sign that said "Do Not Feed the Gators" and the child got attacked, are the parent's off the hook because there wasn't a sign that said do not go in the water?

No Swimming = DO NOT GO IN THE WATER

 

[The Hawk]

My argument is fine.

You seem to be a delusional fucktard, par for your posting career on CCS.

Watch out, Houston, he'll change your signature. Big Bad Ares.

 

[gpphat]

Watch out, Houston, he'll change your signature. Big Bad Ares.

how did Ares change your signature? When did he become a mod

 

[remydat]

Cept they do warn visitors about alligators... I know they do because my Aunt and Uncle have stayed there over a hundred times and have been warned by their staff about alligators at areas where the warning is applicable.

Again if you want to argue Disney shares some blame, you are being Capt Obvious.... I am not arguing Disney deserves 0 blame, but I would put the majority of the blame on the parents who let their 2 year old kid play in a lagoon, in Florida, after dark, when alligators hunt.

EDIT:

That is the area they let their kid go play in at night.... the majority of the blame is on the parents for being idiots.

You wanna dick around bitching about whether Disney warned them enough about alligators in lagoons in fucking Florida, have at it.

Dis looks like a perfect place for the kid to go play while I watch a movie. Look it has water for them to drown in and a bunch of bushes where animals that want to eat him can lurk. What's wrong with dat?